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greetings and salutations

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and welcome to another exciting edition

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of the mystery man show

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i'm your host stephen cambion

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also known as the mystery man

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because who better than a magician

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a man of mystery

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a man trained in the art of deception

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to peel back the layers

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and investigate for you

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the greatest mysteries on planet earth

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tonight's show

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will feature

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the kecksburg ufo crash

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that reportedly happened december 9

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1965.

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did an alien spacecraft really crash

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land in some small sleepy town in 1965

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in pennsylvania

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and more importantly did the government

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capture it and cover it up

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join me

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as we investigate

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so the

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conspiracy theory about the kecksburg

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ufo incident is that multiple multiple

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witnesses reported seeing many military

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people in the area

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after the objects crashed

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after that time

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people were

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you know told to stay away many people

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saw the actual

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on the ground

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but were

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sort of pushed back away from the wooded

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area where the crash took place by

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people in military uniforms

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and later many many witnesses reported

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that a flatbed army truck

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with a large object on the back of it

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covered by a tarp and sort of

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just covered and covered with tarps and

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ropes and things

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i suppose so that no one could see

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what it actually was

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raced out of the area

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later said that it was heading towards a

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u.s military base in the area

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now there have been

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so many theories about what actually

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this object was

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the first and most dominant theory among

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the debunkers uh you know the people

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that stan friedman calls

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noisy negativists

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is that it was simply a very large

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descriptions

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seemed to fit because

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this was a fiery

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and it should also be noted that this

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object was not just seen above this

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little sleepy

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eventual crash site in kecksburg

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and i have to say that this actual case

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has always been very near and dear to me

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this this incident has been in many many

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books i drove out there i wanted to see

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and what you get when you get there is

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almost the land of time for god i mean

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very simple lives and uh here we have

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but it's just a sleepy tiny town that is

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seems like a very unlikely place for

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incredible incredible story like this to

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story mostly because i got to see the

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actual place

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i got to see the crash site i got to

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who are still living in the area that

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were witnesses either to the fireball in

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claimed to see the object on the ground

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hieroglyphics

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the second theory

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or i should get back to the first theory

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the first theory

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by people who want to debunk it or say

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this was not an alien craft or any sort

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of

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um you know

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anything out of the ordinary

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say oh it was just a very large

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meteor and fireball in the sky that

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people saw that would sort of match a

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big meteor

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multiple witnesses

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that say that this thing was making 90

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degree turns

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and if you know anything about astronomy

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or about meteors

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meteors never ever make a 90 degree turn

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from several witnesses

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they had said that this object made many

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90 degree turns

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one witness described that it it

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appeared as if the object was making 90

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degree turns

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flying back and forth in the sky

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looking or he

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assumed that it was looking for a

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suitable place to crash land

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no meteor does that

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the object was under intelligent control

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because of these 90 degree turns and i

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share of shooting stars or meteors i'm

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at avid camper i've been to some very

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remote places where

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you look up and you just see

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thousands tens of thousands hundreds of

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thousands of stars and if you look at a

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point in the sky long enough you will

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see a shooting star a pretty frequent

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i've never seen one turn i've never seen

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one do a 90 degree turn especially i've

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never seen one that appeared to be under

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intelligent control

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and they also appear to be very quick

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this object was reported flying

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through you know the upper northern

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towards pennsylvania for hours and hours

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hours and hours to fall from the upper

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atmosphere into the ground

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so that theory was

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one that i never really believed based

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on the witness descriptions and based on

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the 90 degree turns that people had

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that the second theory and this is one

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that i have always wondered about

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there was indeed a russian satellite

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that came down around the same time

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many experts have debunked that theory

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saying you know that russian satellite

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uh you know it was december 9th 1965.

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this is at the height of the cold war

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whether you believe it or not it's been

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proven and there are

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uh documents which prove this

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there was a unit of the united states

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government whose sole responsibility was

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recover any crashed

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space debris

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was from a russian

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a russian any kind of russian technology

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whether it would be a russian

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you know crash landed

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helicopter

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airplane jet

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you know i talked to some government

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some people who were involved in

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government at the time

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and i asked them what would happen if

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for the sake of argument that this was

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actually a russian satellite

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what if a russian satellite you know

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had some kind of problems or

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you know its orbit decayed and it ended

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up entering re-entering the atmosphere

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and crash landed in a small sleepy town

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in pennsylvania

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what would the government do

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knowing that that was happening

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and a resounding amount of experts who

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have been involved in the government i

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talked to somebody at nasa

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i talked to somebody who was involved in

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air force army intelligence

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and a separate person in naval

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intelligence and a separate person in

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air force intelligence

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and every person that had worked for the

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government told me the same thing

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they would immediately uh go to the area

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you know isolate the object from the

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surrounding uh

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towns people

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any kind of

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witnesses would be interviewed

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you know told not to to discuss the

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incident

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and every one of them told me the same

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thing

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that the the

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the units uh whether directed by the cia

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any alphabet soup the nsa

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national security agency the cia central

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intelligence agency

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you know army intelligence air force

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intelligence naval intelligence whoever

302
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found out about a situation like that

303
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would immediately

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send units to recover that object

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and it would be a high priority to

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recover that object

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keep the

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details of the incident secret

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and take that object back to be analyzed

310
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now again it's very important to point

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out why

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why would this be done

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well it would be done because this was

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the height of the cold war

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and

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the space race was on this is 1965.

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and the people involved in our us

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government would love nothing more

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than hey let's take this soviet piece of

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technology and let's rip it apart and

321
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let's see what what do they have that we

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do not have

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so one of the things that has always

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uh sort of given me the doubt that this

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was an alien spacecraft is

326
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the confirmation from so many government

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people that i have spoken with

328
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who all agreed that

329
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the response

330
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that actually happened at kecksburg

331
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which is

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a bunch of army people went there with

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equipment and

334
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you know armed guards and you know they

335
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they cordoned off the area they pushed

336
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all the people back they they did

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interview some people

338
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and they said

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don't ever speak this again this never

340
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happened

341
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and uh you know reportedly they

342
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took that object and dumped it on top of

343
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a flatbed covered it with a tarp and

344
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and

345
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you know it got lost to history after

346
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that we don't know what happened to that

347
00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:42,079
object

348
00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:43,920
now there have been some other stories

349
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which

350
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came out after the fact uh about

351
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where it went and you know what they did

352
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with it

353
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and and that involved some strange

354
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stories about ceramic bricks

355
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so that leads us to

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so this so the first theory is this was

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simply a meteor a meteor crash landed

358
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and it was nothing it burned up and

359
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,800
there was nothing left to it or almost

360
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:10,639
nothing left to it

361
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:13,199
once recovered it was simply you know

362
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,160
a ball of rock that was very uh

363
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i guess scientifically interesting to an

364
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:21,120
astronomer or to uh someone who studies

365
00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:23,519
space rocks but

366
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you know it was not it definitely not an

367
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alien spacecraft those people say

368
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so theory one

369
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,639
okay this was simply a meteor very large

370
00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:36,800
fiery big meteor

371
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but it was simply a meteor

372
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theory two the prevailing uh second

373
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theory

374
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uh of the of the i would say you know uh

375
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four theories is that this was simply a

376
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russian satellite which went down in our

377
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:56,399
government

378
00:16:02,310 --> 00:15:58,560
upon hearing of the crash went to

379
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:02,320
investigate and went wow gold mines

380
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,639
soviet technology let's take this thing

381
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:06,399
back to our bases

382
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:08,720
let's cover it in a hanger and let no

383
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:11,199
one know we have it and let's rip it

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00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:13,680
apart and see what secrets these soviets

385
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:16,320
have that we do not have what is their

386
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,680
technology

387
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,839
so that's theory two

388
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:21,519
and now we move on to

389
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:24,560
the two most esoteric theories about

390
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what it was that crashed at kecksburg

391
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:29,199
pennsylvania

392
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,040
and theory three

393
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:33,920
is uh one of my favorites because i have

394
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,800
a big interest in history and the third

395
00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:38,800
theory is

396
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mostly made because of the comparison of

397
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what

398
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the

399
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,720
and drew many of those people drew or

400
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:54,320
sketched later

401
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:57,360
and and said hey this is what i saw

402
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:00,160
so the third theory is that

403
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,440
and this one is is uh you know hard to

404
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,439
wrap your mind around

405
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:07,760
the third theory is that the object that

406
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:10,079
crash landed was actually

407
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:13,360
either the nazi bell

408
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,480
which was a top secret nazi project that

409
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:18,959
many say involve time travel and

410
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,360
anti-gravity

411
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:22,880
or

412
00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:29,840
you know a vehicle

413
00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:33,440
designed that was built and designed and

414
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,320
based on the original nazi bell

415
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,799
uh anti-gravity or

416
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:40,240
you know

417
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,080
sort of like a man-made flying saucer

418
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:46,799
so some people say this was a reproduced

419
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:48,000
vehicle

420
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,120
that was being test flown and eventually

421
00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:53,120
uh somehow

422
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,280
malfunctioned and crash landed in

423
00:18:05,750 --> 00:17:57,679
kecksburg pennsylvania on that

424
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,710
i don't buy that i'm sorry but you know

425
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:11,200
there are some similarities acorn-shaped

426
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:12,480
craft

427
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:13,200
um

428
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,000
you know i don't believe that a

429
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:19,280
top-secret government

430
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:24,080
anti-gravity propulsion kind of a

431
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:27,280
craft would be test flown over

432
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:28,720
pennsylvania

433
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,360
i just don't i don't see that as a

434
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:33,039
viable

435
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:37,600
answer to what actually happened

436
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:38,480
now

437
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:39,600
like the

438
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,559
satellite theory however

439
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:47,200
again speaking with government people

440
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,960
and people have been involved in black

441
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:50,080
projects

442
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:52,160
you know when asked hey if you were

443
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:53,600
flying some

444
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,720
exotic propulsion you know experimental

445
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,640
craft and it did happen to crash what

446
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:00,720
would what would happen

447
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,480
again the resounding answer from

448
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:05,039
everyone i've spoken to has been

449
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,400
that

450
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:08,000
what happened at kecksburg would have

451
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:09,600
been what happened we would cordon off

452
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,400
the area we would send military people

453
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,080
to recover the craft

454
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,320
and we would push everybody back and we

455
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:18,559
would try to keep what happened secret

456
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,760
we and and i talked to one person in air

457
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:23,440
force intelligence who said that they

458
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,320
would put out whatever disinformation

459
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,080
that they had to put out whether it's

460
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,400
meteor hey this was a weather balloon

461
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,240
this was swamp gas

462
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,799
i mean atmospheric phenomenon whatever

463
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:36,480
they had to say

464
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,280
to sort of quiet down the public so that

465
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,600
no one uh really knew what really

466
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,160
happened they would do

467
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,120
so the nazi bell theory you know i say

468
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,200
go look at the nazi bell

469
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:51,200
uh there's pictures on the internet just

470
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,760
google nazi bell under images

471
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,160
and then google kecksburg ufo under

472
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,120
images and you'll see there is a really

473
00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:01,280
incredible uh

474
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:04,840
incredible similarity between those two

475
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,240
now strange strangely enough along with

476
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:10,559
the nazi theory is you know a lot of

477
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,360
really crazy stuff like somebody in

478
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,280
during world war ii at the end of world

479
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:17,840
war ii used that nazi craft and traveled

480
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:20,960
through time and somehow uh you know

481
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,240
they crashed in 1965 in kecksburg

482
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,000
pennsylvania

483
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,080
i i don't know i'm just a person that

484
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,080
believes that you know incredible claims

485
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:32,159
like that they require incredible proof

486
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:35,919
and nobody has can prove anything

487
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,799
anything even like that there's no

488
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,360
you know documents there's no there's no

489
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:42,960
you know it's not like witnesses saw

490
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:45,520
some guys in nazi uniforms get out of

491
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,200
this capsule and walk away or you know

492
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,480
so

493
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,480
the nazi bell theory while interesting

494
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,039
to me because yeah hey i i think a lot

495
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,440
of the nazi technology and the nazi

496
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,120
saucers

497
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,280
if you look into that are incredibly

498
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,480
interesting

499
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,640
and amazing like some of the things that

500
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,039
those guys were working on in the 40s

501
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,840
and the 30s it's amazing

502
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,640
but

503
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:12,640
i don't see any proof that really

504
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:16,080
connected to the kecksburg ufo incident

505
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,120
and so

506
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,679
that theory is the least

507
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,480
is the least plausible to me

508
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:24,880
now the the final theory

509
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:27,919
and uh again one of the most esoteric is

510
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,510
now

511
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:36,320
i have to say that i am totally

512
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,679
fascinated by the ufo subjects and uh

513
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,919
some of the stories that you hear

514
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:43,520
but the problem that i have with the

515
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,799
alien theory is that again there's no

516
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,200
there's absolutely no proof

517
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:50,720
that what crashed was an alien

518
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,200
spacecraft other than the witness

519
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,880
reports

520
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,280
now i have to say that in some ufo

521
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,679
circumstances there are radar tapes that

522
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,159
prove that that object was moving at

523
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:04,320
speeds that you know

524
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,080
uh even even our fastest jets or fastest

525
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,960
experimental craft cannot even approach

526
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,760
or that they perform aerial maneuvers

527
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,919
which are impossible

528
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,720
but

529
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,799
in the kecksburg uh

530
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,480
incident there

531
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:22,960
the the the reported

532
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,840
witness testimony and

533
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,120
everything just

534
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,679
shows does not show

535
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,919
a level of performance for the craft

536
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,720
that would exceed anything earth-like

537
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,880
because that's you know in some ufo

538
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,640
cases that's that's the proof that

539
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,039
people point to they say hey

540
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:43,520
no human craft can move at the speed or

541
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,320
make

542
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,120
you know these these quick maneuvers now

543
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,480
i will say that

544
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:50,320
an ordinary

545
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,640
degree turns and

546
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:56,480
several witnesses again reported that

547
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,840
the object made 90 degree turns

548
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,600
and so

549
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,440
this leads me to believe that hey maybe

550
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,200
this was something extraterrestrial

551
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,039
because our general

552
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,360
you know a helicopter can make a 90

553
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,080
degree terms but uh you know

554
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,000
i think that people

555
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,320
even in 1965 could tell the difference

556
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:17,360
between

557
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,000
a fiery glowing ball or orb or air crate

558
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,520
excuse me air acorn shaped craft and a

559
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:28,080
helicopter or uh

560
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:28,880
a

561
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,280
you know

562
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,480
even in a small sleepy sort of farm town

563
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,039
that time forgot people aren't that

564
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,919
stupid they could tell the difference

565
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,360
and

566
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,240
you know i i it's difficult to ask

567
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,400
government people hey what would happen

568
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,240
if you thought an alien spacecraft

569
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,880
landed but a few have told me the same

570
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,919
thing with the with theory you know

571
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:58,320
two and three they would they would go

572
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,200
and

573
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,320
cordon off the area again

574
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,840
and they would want to recover that and

575
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,240
they would want to dissect it and see

576
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:08,400
what could be learned from that craft if

577
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,919
it was indeed an alien spacecraft

578
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,880
now

579
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:14,320
one of the things that has always

580
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,360
fascinated me is the hieroglyphics

581
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,559
because

582
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:21,200
if you consider the russian satellite

583
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:22,240
theory

584
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:23,840
i don't know go take a look at the

585
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,720
russian language when written

586
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,600
and

587
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,000
i kind of think if you were a small town

588
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,320
person it's not very cultured and you

589
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,000
saw russian writing

590
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,279
you might describe it as hieroglyphics

591
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,720
but many people uh said that it was

592
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,120
sort of like egyptian writing or

593
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,200
egyptian hieroglyphics so that is our

594
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,120
fourth theory that it was an alien

595
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,520
spacecraft that landed

596
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,520
but based on the size of it i have

597
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,520
always wondered one thing

598
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,880
i have wondered if it was perhaps uh you

599
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,960
know being a star wars fan go look at

600
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,360
the escape pod that the droids escaped

601
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:04,960
that ship in at the beginning of episode

602
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,760
um

603
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:07,520
four you know

604
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,120
uh the original star wars movie and

605
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,600
go look at the bell craft it really

606
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,440
there's some similarities there it

607
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,840
always made me wonder

608
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:19,919
what if that was sort of like an uh

609
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:23,360
alien escape pod and the mothership

610
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:24,320
you know

611
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,559
and they needed to

612
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,000
escape

613
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:32,960
uh and so they got into this little pod

614
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,159
that's five foot or so wide and you know

615
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:37,919
eight foot high and

616
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,720
and crash landed to earth

617
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,080
but it's interesting to me that the

618
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,720
witnesses you know they went

619
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:46,640
very close to this thing a few feet away

620
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:49,600
from it in some cases and they saw no

621
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,200
um there was no sort of like hatch

622
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:56,240
you know it didn't open no one came out

623
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,520
and uh

624
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,640
you know this is not a big large kind of

625
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,360
a flying saucer this was an acorn shaped

626
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,919
craft look like i am i mean i assume

627
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,760
maybe one or two

628
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:09,840
human-sized people could fit inside the

629
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,679
craft and and not many more

630
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,799
and so

631
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,880
the the fourth theory that it was an

632
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,919
alien spacecraft well you know i'm just

633
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,279
one of those people that want to believe

634
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,200
that there's aliens out there and you

635
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,080
know be awesome if they visited us but

636
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,480
i i don't know about this theory

637
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,760
so

638
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,240
the theory that i favor the most is the

639
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:34,240
russian satellite because

640
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,520
you can look at

641
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,840
pictures of the of the actual russian

642
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,440
satellite which

643
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,840
which uh was reported to crash land

644
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,559
around the same time same day

645
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,880
or same you know general time frame

646
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:49,840
within plus or minus 12 hours

647
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,480
of the kecksburg incident this russian

648
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:54,960
satellite crash landed

649
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,440
you know that would be my pick

650
00:27:03,669 --> 00:26:59,440
that would be my

651
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,679
from everything that i've seen

652
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,240
investigated that would be my choice for

653
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,240
what actually happened

654
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,000
but

655
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,360
as

656
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:13,840
the layers of the onion get peeled we

657
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:17,200
find new information that leads

658
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,320
leads to the alien hypothesis quite

659
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,880
frankly because

660
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:25,039
many many people have disproven the

661
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,159
russian

662
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:27,679
satellite theory

663
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,039
uh to a pretty convincing degree

664
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:34,559
and even though that's still my main

665
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,399
my main hypothesis for what happened

666
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,720
because you know i believe in occam's

667
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,120
razor in the absence of incredible proof

668
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,679
you know the simplest explanation is

669
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,440
probably true

670
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,320
so if i had to choose one theory of what

671
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,880
actually happened on that night

672
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,960
you know which was really a fateful

673
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:57,840
night though the whole town was involved

674
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:01,600
on december 9 1965 and to this day the

675
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,720
town is still known for this

676
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:06,799
this little town 30 miles southeast of

677
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,070
and it's interesting that they have a

678
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,240
model of the crashed object object that

679
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,840
was originally created for the show on

680
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,399
soft mysteries and it's been on display

681
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,679
uh

682
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,120
in texburg near the fire station since

683
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,760
since that series aired you know quite

684
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,840
some time ago

685
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,159
so what do you think happened that night

686
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,240
what what what do you think is the most

687
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,279
plausible excuse or plausible

688
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,679
explanation for what happened

689
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,840
you can look up on the internet the

690
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,840
cosmos 96

691
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,000
um and

692
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,360
you know many people think that the

693
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,200
object that crashed in kecksburg may

694
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,000
have been debris from the cosmos uh 96

695
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,200
which was a soviet satellite

696
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,760
and cosmos had been known to be a bell

697
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,000
or acorn shape similar to the object

698
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,039
reported by eyewitnesses

699
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,799
the problem again with that is that a

700
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,200
1991 report the u.s space command

701
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:07,200
concluded that cosmos 96 crashed in

702
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,880
canada at 3 18 on december 9th

703
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,720
and the keksburg incident

704
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,840
you know

705
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:16,000
was again december 9th but it was a

706
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:17,360
little

707
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,269
so

708
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,240
i suppose i would ask you what do you

709
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,520
think happened

710
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,000
did an alien spacecraft really crash

711
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:33,039
land in a sleepy small town in kecksburg

712
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,480
pennsylvania

713
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,720
in 1965

714
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,240
more importantly did the government

715
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,720
cover it up

716
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,200
now to dig deeper into the kecksburg ufo

717
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,360
crash we're going to talk to the one man

718
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:47,279
who is the world's leading expert on

719
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:48,080
this

720
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,919
for decades

721
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,559
he has talked to more witnesses dug

722
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,640
deeper than anyone else and produced a

723
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,520
groundbreaking documentary kecksburg the

724
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,440
untold story

725
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,279
which is the world's best documentary on

726
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,640
this incident

727
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,039
stan gordon is a former pa state

728
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,840
director for the mutual ufo network he's

729
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,240
an award-winning ufo investigator and

730
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,480
lecturer he has appeared on local and

731
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:16,880
national television countless times as a

732
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:20,000
ufo expert you can visit his website at

733
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,360
www.stan

734
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,120
gordon.info for more information

735
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,799
we are pleased and delighted to welcome

736
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,240
the world's leading expert on this

737
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,279
subject

738
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,080
stan gordon lecturer documentary film

739
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,640
producer and ufo investigator

740
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:36,960
welcome my friends the world's leading

741
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:40,399
expert on the kecksburg ufo incident

742
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,230
i guess my first question would be

743
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:51,760
what is it about the ufo subject that

744
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,279
began to get you interested

745
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,440
and what specifically about the

746
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,360
kecksburg incident

747
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,919
kept you coming back to that specific

748
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,679
case

749
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:06,000
well my interest began long time ago

750
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,679
back when i was 10 years old back in

751
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,200
1959

752
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,279
and i can tell you in all the years i've

753
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,960
been doing this now which will be 56

754
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,960
years of research this year i have never

755
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,279
personally seen a ufo or a bigfoot i've

756
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,039
interviewed thousands of people but

757
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,320
going back to

758
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,200
1959 when i was 10 years old how i got

759
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,919
involved was my birthday coincidentally

760
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,559
is during how the halloween season

761
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,399
and my parents decided to give me a

762
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,640
birthday gift which was an am radio as a

763
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,559
gift at that time period

764
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,120
and how things transpired was i was

765
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,880
tuning around on the am radio dial

766
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,559
during that time period

767
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,039
and because of halloween there were some

768
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,960
talk radio shows and they were talking

769
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,279
about strange happenings from haunted

770
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,840
houses to flying saucers to

771
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,320
strange animal sightings and i was

772
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,919
curious

773
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,120
and i wanted to know if these people

774
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,640
were really making telling the truth and

775
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,240
making these stories up

776
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,240
so i began to make a lot of local trips

777
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,480
to our library and read all the books

778
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,000
they had available

779
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,760
and i started scrutinizing the

780
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,519
newspapers and i saw an article in the

781
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,039
paper

782
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,720
i would cut the article out make

783
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,919
scrapbooks

784
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,200
but if something would appear in the

785
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,799
local paper that somebody claimed was

786
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,039
seeing a ufo for example i called them

787
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,039
on the telephone and interviewed them

788
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,720
and wrote down the information kept in a

789
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,080
file on it

790
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,760
and as time went on my interest

791
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,919
continued and then i was 16 years old in

792
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,519
1965

793
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,640
when the incident happened near

794
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,399
kecksburg pa which is about 12 miles

795
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,919
from where i live

796
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,720
and

797
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,159
basically

798
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,039
you were in the perfect time and place

799
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,320
to become uh interested in the kecksburg

800
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,960
incident especially

801
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,559
oh yeah there's no doubt about that i

802
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,519
was

803
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,120
in the right place at the right time i

804
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,519
was still relatively young but i began

805
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,039
basically the next day to start trying

806
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,120
to get information on the case

807
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
and uh so i've been pursuing it now this

808
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,080
year of course will be 50 years

809
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,799
50th anniversary coming up december 9th

810
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:03,360
and uh i still on occasion i'm getting

811
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,320
some leads i've got some very

812
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:06,159
interesting leads in the last several

813
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,519
months uh even very recently so there's

814
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,519
still information out there

815
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,640
and uh

816
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,120
it's the case that you know many of ufo

817
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,840
cases i investigate

818
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,600
a high percentage of incidents i

819
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,679
investigate whether it be ufos or

820
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,159
cryptic creatures or other phenomena

821
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,640
many things initially appear to be

822
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,480
strange and unusual but when you take

823
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,159
the time to follow up and investigate

824
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,840
them the high percentage i'm going to

825
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,039
determine to be either natural or

826
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,360
man-made in origin so a lot of things

827
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,760
over the years you can explain and and

828
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,919
every year however there's ufo incidents

829
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,919
that keep occurring that you could not

830
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,919
so easily dismiss

831
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,679
very credible people are still seeing

832
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,440
things year after year which we

833
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,519
apparently have no explanations for and

834
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,519
the kexper gibson is one of those cases

835
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:53,600
that there's still many unanswered

836
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,640
questions

837
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,240
there were hundreds of people involved

838
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,159
in the case there's no doubt there was a

839
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,080
military involvement uh with the

840
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,159
incident something was removed from the

841
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,720
site we knew it took it to an air base

842
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,600
and

843
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,519
there still remains again many questions

844
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,679
we don't have answers for it yeah and i

845
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,839
know there are so many people who are

846
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,359
still living who are involved in that

847
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,000
case and many citizens around

848
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,079
pennsylvania across the country who are

849
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,399
aware of this incident that are very

850
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,879
hopeful that someday our government will

851
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,960
open up their files and let people know

852
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,720
the truth about whatever we recovered

853
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,839
that day

854
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,760
yeah that's one of the big questions

855
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,520
that i have for you and some of the

856
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,599
documentaries i've seen

857
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,560
and everything there there was a big

858
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,200
effort that was being undertaken with

859
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:41,599
the freedom of information act and some

860
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,079
other things to try to pry some

861
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,399
documents from the government loose has

862
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,639
there been any new developments on that

863
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,560
front lately

864
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,960
no not really and i think it's

865
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,560
we're probably not going to get much

866
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,440
more i mean i did multitudes and i

867
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,560
should go back you know when you're

868
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:00,079
ready and give you a little history

869
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,440
about the case because there's probably

870
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,720
people out there that don't know what

871
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,800
we're even talking about and let's let's

872
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:07,359
take a moment too to let our listeners

873
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:08,320
know

874
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,520
that

875
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,920
in ufo circles i want to let my

876
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,440
listeners know

877
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,480
anytime this case gets mentioned

878
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,000
mr gordon is the person that everybody

879
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,160
mentions to me have you talked to stan

880
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,440
gordon

881
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:26,079
every person that i talk to about this

882
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:29,920
case mentions mr gordon because he has

883
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,400
more knowledge and expertise about this

884
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,680
specific incident than anyone he has dug

885
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,680
deeper so why don't you give us some

886
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,760
background on the case for the benefit

887
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,680
of our listeners

888
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,880
all right well

889
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,480
we could spend days and days talking

890
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,520
about the case but just a rough scenario

891
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,079
of the event how it all began for me it

892
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,640
was a thursday night december 9th 1965.

893
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,040
i'm 16 years old i'm already interested

894
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,440
in the ufo subject i'm tuned they came

895
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,839
into kdk radio in pittsburgh because

896
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,920
they had a very popular radio talk show

897
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,079
called contact and the host of the show

898
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,000
that was late mike levine

899
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,720
well the guest he had on was a name you

900
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:11,200
might recognize with frank edwards who

901
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,720
was a journalist who had written some

902
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,040
books on strange unusual happenings and

903
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,880
he was on as a guest so i was tuned in

904
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,880
the radio show to listen to him see what

905
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,320
he had to say

906
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,720
well what turned out to be extremely

907
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,720
interesting was that pretty much the

908
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,400
entire program

909
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,720
was focused on this news story that was

910
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,800
just breaking open

911
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,280
and it was about a ufo sighting about

912
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:35,680
this brilliant fiery light fiery object

913
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,720
that was seen from ontario canada over

914
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,640
several states including michigan ohio

915
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,000
pennsylvania

916
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,640
and this occurred about 4 47 p.m in the

917
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,200
pittsburgh area it's almost dark it's

918
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,839
late afternoon and whatever the object

919
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,760
was it apparently came in over the

920
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,920
greater pittsburgh area because

921
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,400
multitudes of people were jamming the

922
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,240
phone lines at the pittsburgh area

923
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,920
police and uh radio and tv stations in

924
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,000
the newspapers calling in seeing this

925
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,560
brilliant fiery object in the sky

926
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:08,079
well there's a lot we didn't know at the

927
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,280
time so what i'm telling you a little

928
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,560
bit now is what i've learned over the

929
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,520
past almost 50 years so that object

930
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,839
whatever it was

931
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,240
it continued out towards westmoreland

932
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,440
county

933
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,880
and it came in over the city of

934
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,440
greensburg and then as it moved over

935
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,359
greensburg it moved roughly out towards

936
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,760
ralph 30 east but then it turned to the

937
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,880
south

938
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,960
and it was seen by numerous people along

939
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,760
these little rural communities uh such

940
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800
as like pleasant unity marguerite

941
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,040
norvell mammoth

942
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,200
and it continued out towards the

943
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,720
mountains out toward what they call

944
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,880
laurelville and other people around

945
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,480
there in the area who saw this thing

946
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,599
said it kind of hesitated made a turn

947
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,000
started to track back towards kecksburg

948
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,480
made it made another turn then went down

949
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,160
to the wooded ravine

950
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,839
now the people who saw it go down into

951
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,680
the wood of ravine said

952
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,760
it did not come down at a real high rate

953
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,560
of speed it did not come down like you

954
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,960
would expect to see a meteor or reentry

955
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,119
of space debris but it came down almost

956
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,280
like it made a controlled landing

957
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,680
yeah i was going to say that that that

958
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,720
for me

959
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:16,880
the eyewitness reports of the turning

960
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:19,599
and everything it always made me think

961
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,119
that the meteor theory is nonsense that

962
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,000
and also how long

963
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,560
did it take to come down would you say

964
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,800
because as you said it was seen from

965
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,440
canada the northern states all the way

966
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,760
through pennsylvania and i just always

967
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,400
thought a meteor comes straight down in

968
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:40,079
a quick you know

969
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:44,240
blast it doesn't take hours to come down

970
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,680
now what did take hours it moved

971
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,640
relatively quickly but not the speed you

972
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,680
would have of a meteor and uh and i've

973
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:54,160
interviewed witnesses now from ohio into

974
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,599
the into the area not far from kecksburg

975
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,359
where people saw this thing and told me

976
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,040
that yes this thing was actually

977
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,839
changing direction along its course as

978
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,599
it was moving down towards pennsylvania

979
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,760
towards the impact site talked a guy

980
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:10,079
recently and saw it and like so many

981
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,280
people you know every once in a while

982
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,680
when i go and speak at public events

983
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,240
i'll have some of these uh older timers

984
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,440
come up to me

985
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,760
who were either at the site or had seen

986
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,160
it but never called in to report it

987
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,079
because they thought that well you know

988
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,760
probably everybody knows a story already

989
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,119
so what they had really wasn't that

990
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,800
important but a lot of people don't

991
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,119
realize they may have little bits of

992
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:33,119
information that can be very important

993
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,960
and this one man told me very recently

994
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,880
how yeah as a young boy he saw this

995
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,520
thing coming in uh one of the suburbs of

996
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,440
pittsburgh and how this thing while

997
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,760
moving in this direction was

998
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,920
going straight up and accelerated in

999
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,160
height and then come down go back up

1000
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,480
come back back down then continue on its

1001
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,040
path because making movements completely

1002
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,800
unlike that of a meteor

1003
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,200
yeah that that is why i've always i mean

1004
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,119
a lot of people just say hey it was a

1005
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,480
meteor

1006
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,880
i don't believe that because i've seen

1007
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:05,280
meteors i've never seen a meteor make a

1008
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,359
nine degree turn or change direction

1009
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,760
yeah well let me let me just give you a

1010
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,280
little bit more detail but what happened

1011
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,880
that night because there's there's so

1012
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,319
much and there's like you said we could

1013
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,319
talk for days and days from

1014
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,079
the hundreds of testimonies i've gotten

1015
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,680
from eyewitnesses and people were

1016
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,839
involved that night or had other

1017
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,680
involvement in the case over the years

1018
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,400
but you know as as this is unfolding on

1019
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,520
kdk radio and other news that night

1020
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,400
um you know they're taking the calls at

1021
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,480
the station from people coming in

1022
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,040
that this news is now breaking wire

1023
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,640
stories are starting to come in from the

1024
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,960
associated press and upi

1025
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,079
um

1026
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,160
they are interviewing eyewitnesses they

1027
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,040
talk to pilots many many people who saw

1028
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,280
this thing

1029
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,839
in the later in the evening kdktv is

1030
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,160
breaking in with live reports

1031
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,480
that the military is now arriving in the

1032
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,319
kecksburg area because apparently

1033
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,839
whatever the object was that came over

1034
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,760
the pittsburgh area fell to a wood

1035
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,319
ravine in westmoreland county about 40

1036
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,480
miles southeast of pittsburgh

1037
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,880
and so of course nothing was a huge

1038
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,480
media event

1039
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,560
and and i wasn't aware really of the

1040
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,280
scope of the coverage then at the time

1041
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,960
it was happening

1042
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,400
and most people weren't because we

1043
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,640
really didn't even know how big it was

1044
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,119
two years later but what we now know is

1045
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,359
the fact that as this is being broadcast

1046
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,599
all over the pittsburgh area hundreds of

1047
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,280
people descend on this little farming

1048
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,200
community to try to get a look at the

1049
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,520
object down in the woods but not only

1050
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,520
did you have all these people coming in

1051
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,280
you had representatives from all the

1052
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,440
pittsburgh news media from

1053
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,240
reporters from pittsburgh radio and tv

1054
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,200
and newspapers who came out themselves

1055
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,599
and became part of the story because

1056
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,240
they either observed the military or

1057
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,079
military vehicles interacted with the

1058
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,240
military or other authorities on the

1059
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,560
scene so they became a part of the story

1060
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,680
themselves

1061
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,839
and as like i said there's so many

1062
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,720
different

1063
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,400
little you know experiences we had with

1064
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,720
so many people and what they saw and

1065
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,720
what they remember from that night and a

1066
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,160
lot of people was a life-changing

1067
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,160
experience but you know talking about a

1068
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,400
meteor here's one example of one of the

1069
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,920
eyewitness accounts this was um within a

1070
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,440
probably within a couple miles before

1071
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:21,599
the object fell so this is the little

1072
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,119
area little uh town of norvelt outside

1073
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,200
of kecksburg and there's a young boy the

1074
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,599
late randy overley and randy's out there

1075
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,200
playing that afternoon

1076
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,040
and he hears like this this hissing

1077
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,760
noise far in the distance and he looks

1078
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,160
at out to the sky and he sees this

1079
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,040
object slowly approaching far off and it

1080
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,200
begins to move in his direction and it's

1081
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,839
moving quite slowly he said it was

1082
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,680
moving about the speed of an aircraft on

1083
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,680
approach to an airport and it moves

1084
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,760
about 200 feet over his head

1085
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,599
so that he said to me he said i got such

1086
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,359
a good look at this thing because i see

1087
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,760
it approach me it passes right over my

1088
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,839
head and i want it to continue as it

1089
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,960
goes out towards the mountains of

1090
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,720
laurelville and he said this thing is

1091
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,760
like a big constructed acorn shaped

1092
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,560
object kind of a brownish-grayish color

1093
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,640
there's a vapor all around it there's

1094
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,640
various color flames around and out of

1095
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,560
the back of it it's making like this

1096
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:16,079
hissing sound

1097
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:16,960
and

1098
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,079
he said it it's just one solid piece but

1099
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,640
you can tell it was constructed he said

1100
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,640
what i saw was something was moving very

1101
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,200
slow it had been intelligently

1102
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,599
manufactured by somebody but he had

1103
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,599
never seen anything like it

1104
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,760
and it continued out towards the

1105
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,359
mountains of lauraville where other

1106
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,599
people saw it so what we now know is

1107
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,520
this and we didn't know this back in

1108
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,040
that time you know

1109
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,200
i've interviewed with

1110
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:45,040
were involved that day

1111
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:45,839
and

1112
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,520
well you know you saw this you had this

1113
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,599
great experience why didn't you call the

1114
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,040
newspaper and tell them after you saw

1115
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,640
the papers the next day and he said the

1116
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,280
reason why we did because the next day

1117
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,520
the newspaper is full of the story and

1118
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,440
the official explanation is that people

1119
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,520
saw a bright meteor in the sky and that

1120
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,800
nothing fell

1121
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,560
so after the authorities the government

1122
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,400
saying was nothing on the ground and we

1123
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,560
know what we saw we just you know we

1124
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,560
told a few friends and a few relatives

1125
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,960
we just kept our mouth shut for years

1126
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,280
and and that's exactly what happened so

1127
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,040
what we know is that

1128
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,880
moments after it fell

1129
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,040
some of the local people

1130
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,960
hurried up down into the wood of ravine

1131
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,040
to see what had fallen

1132
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:33,680
and later that afternoon others began to

1133
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,640
come in

1134
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,560
here's the whole thing

1135
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,720
you could not possibly see the impact

1136
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,040
site from any of the surrounding hills

1137
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,440
or roads it's down in the bottom of a

1138
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,880
wooded ravine in the middle of the

1139
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,800
thickly wooded area unless you were

1140
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,800
standing at that spot you couldn't

1141
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,880
possibly know where it came down

1142
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,040
so some of those people saw it fall and

1143
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,560
they hurried down on those woods and

1144
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,760
some of those people knew the woods

1145
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,520
because they had it down there and they

1146
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,560
came across this large metallic acorn

1147
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,160
shaped object

1148
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,560
semi buried in the ground and how am i

1149
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:06,960
amazing how amazing it must have been

1150
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,920
for these kind of you know uh people

1151
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,480
living in this small town to come down

1152
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,520
into the wooded ravine and see

1153
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,520
or be confronted what

1154
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,319
with what could possibly be an aliens

1155
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,200
alien spacecraft

1156
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:25,680
and can you tell us about the witnesses

1157
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,680
descriptions of of it on the ground

1158
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,800
what they see again it's semi

1159
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,480
semi-buried in the ground

1160
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,240
it's about 10 to 12 feet or more in

1161
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,520
length about eight to ten feet in

1162
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,400
diameter but as witnesses said it's one

1163
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,560
solid piece of metal it's kind of an off

1164
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:43,280
gold bronze color but what's intriguing

1165
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,319
is

1166
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,280
it's shaped like a big acorn

1167
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:49,760
but there's no weld marks no rivets no

1168
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,760
seams no fuselage no windows no doors

1169
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,079
at the back of the object like you would

1170
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,280
have on an acorn and raised up area

1171
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,960
raised up on that surface with these

1172
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,960
unusual markings to look more like

1173
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,079
symbols

1174
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,599
than letters

1175
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,599
and in fact one witness who was very

1176
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,160
close to it that day that evening

1177
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,160
spent years in the library trying to

1178
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,160
look up ancient writings to see what

1179
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,240
would be similar and he said the closest

1180
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,680
he could find was ancient egyptian

1181
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,480
hieroglyphics that's interesting and

1182
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,560
this thing is big enough for a person to

1183
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,800
move around the side of they said

1184
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:25,760
and

1185
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,040
interviewed people who are down there i

1186
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,520
have stayed for some relatives of people

1187
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,680
who are now deceased who apparently have

1188
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,760
gone down into the woods one reportedly

1189
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,079
was a young girl who went down soon

1190
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:42,240
after it fell and supposedly touched the

1191
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,280
object

1192
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,040
and told her family once you at home

1193
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,359
that was smooth with class

1194
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:49,119
and

1195
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,640
anyhow

1196
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,000
one of the stories of course that's

1197
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,400
interesting is and and i should go back

1198
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,560
a little further you know for and i

1199
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,000
should go back to a little more of the

1200
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,520
beginning because of so much of the

1201
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,200
story so i began to try to get

1202
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,520
information the next day there was very

1203
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,880
little information out there there were

1204
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,119
very few names out there in the paper

1205
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,960
uh i'm in the city this was out the

1206
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,400
country really didn't know hardly

1207
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,480
anybody around there tried to make some

1208
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,720
calls talk to people people really were

1209
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,640
reluctant to talk about it

1210
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,800
say it was a period period of weeks and

1211
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,319
months and years

1212
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,480
that i began to gather information on

1213
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,960
this case more and more i began to find

1214
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,480
some people who were involved that night

1215
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,760
i began to get

1216
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,680
sometimes even anonymous leads or a lot

1217
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,280
of mistakes from people who knew people

1218
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,839
were involved and let me to find and dig

1219
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,520
out some eyewitnesses

1220
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,920
um i would get calls later from

1221
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,599
relatives and friends and neighbors of

1222
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:41,280
people who were involved

1223
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,720
and i began to really see by the 1980s

1224
00:47:47,950 --> 00:47:46,000
that there was a heck of a lot more of

1225
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:47,960
the story that we knew before back in

1226
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,280
1965 and i began to really intensify my

1227
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,559
investigation

1228
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,319
and so you're going to credit you're

1229
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,800
you're the person really responsible for

1230
00:48:02,549 --> 00:47:59,599
bringing out all of this eyewitness

1231
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,559
testimony i mean i i've always thought

1232
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:04,640
of all the things i've seen you done on

1233
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,599
this case that if you hadn't done this

1234
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,839
we wouldn't know anything it might have

1235
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,920
ended with hey it was a meteor and it

1236
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,800
and nothing came down so

1237
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,280
you know to your credit you've brought

1238
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,000
out so much

1239
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,720
i appreciate it and you know it's one of

1240
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,359
those cases that's so intriguing and has

1241
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,680
so many aspects of mystery to it and

1242
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,440
there's so many things we just don't

1243
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,720
know but uh it was fascinating and so

1244
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,720
anyhow as i'm testifying my

1245
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,480
investigation and we had a pretty good

1246
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,160
idea now the general area where this

1247
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,480
thing came down we began to search that

1248
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:43,040
area and my team found what appeared to

1249
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,920
be

1250
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,160
a pattern of tree damage down in that

1251
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,559
wooded ravine we found a pattern of

1252
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:51,200
trees knocked down top to trees broken

1253
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,160
out

1254
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,640
it was a a pretty good idea that there

1255
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,559
was a trajectory or something had come

1256
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,559
down so we had a pretty good idea where

1257
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,280
something fell the big problem was we

1258
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,599
had no eyewitnesses at that point who

1259
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,880
had actually claimed to have seen the

1260
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,480
object on the ground

1261
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,839
so in the summer of 1987

1262
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,960
i'm holding uh one of my very big

1263
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:14,960
public ufo displays at the local

1264
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,599
westmoreland mall it's a it was a very

1265
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,000
very big big display we did for years

1266
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,839
brought in thousands and thousands of

1267
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,800
people

1268
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:25,119
uh who had really interested in the case

1269
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,319
it was great for the mall because it

1270
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,240
brought a lot of traffic in and we did

1271
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,160
it for a number of years and in august

1272
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:32,640
in 87 what i have in this event we had a

1273
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:33,680
little

1274
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:37,280
information didn't have a lot on it at

1275
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,319
the time

1276
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,559
and a lot of people were mingling around

1277
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,800
and i was out for lunch i believe and

1278
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,240
one of my associates was there and he

1279
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,920
was talking to a fellow and

1280
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,440
this fellow in his family happened to

1281
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,760
walk by and he's kind of listening in

1282
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,280
and he said excuse me you talk about

1283
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,960
that incident in keksburg and they said

1284
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:55,119
yes he said i was on the search team

1285
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,720
that found the object oh

1286
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,800
immediately opened up my associate's

1287
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,400
eyes and he pulled him off to the side

1288
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,160
and they ran and got me

1289
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,640
and that turned out to be jim ramansky

1290
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,559
and jim um

1291
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,559
never came forward until

1292
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,280
he he finally came out public when we

1293
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,880
did the season premiere on the unsolved

1294
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,520
mystery show back in 1990 which i did

1295
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,839
see i remember that

1296
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,880
and jim

1297
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,800
had a very intriguing account then when

1298
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,640
he talked over the first he said look i

1299
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,920
don't want to get involved i don't want

1300
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,520
to get publicly involved i don't want my

1301
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,760
family involved he said i'll talk to you

1302
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,680
and i'll tell you what i know

1303
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,160
but he was not from kecksburg okay his

1304
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,559
story was he was a young teenager

1305
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,119
well 18 19 years old

1306
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,119
and

1307
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,960
he was a volunteer fireman from one of

1308
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,319
the mutual aid fire companies here in

1309
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,359
westmoreland county not from kecksburg

1310
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,599
he said that his fire company had been

1311
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,880
activated

1312
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,280
that day to assist in a search with

1313
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,440
other fire departments in the kecksburg

1314
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,400
area for a possible downed aircraft

1315
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,839
and other firemen have confirmed the

1316
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,359
story to me by the way from other

1317
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,319
departments so anyhow he and a small

1318
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,839
group got into one of their fire

1319
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,119
vehicles and they proceeded out to

1320
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,640
kecksburg and they came to the kexpert

1321
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,720
truck station where other firemen were

1322
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:13,119
gathering and they were looking over a

1323
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,720
map and they were setting up a grid

1324
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,119
search of this large wooded area where

1325
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,760
this thing reportedly had fallen

1326
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,480
and jim didn't know the area he knew

1327
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:24,000
hardly anybody was out there but he

1328
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,839
remembered that evening

1329
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,599
how they loaded him out of the farm up

1330
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,280
these different trucks and left them off

1331
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,599
at different locations along the woods

1332
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:34,480
to to walk up into the large wooded area

1333
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,680
where this thing reportedly fell and

1334
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,680
they had walkie-talkies with them

1335
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,920
and jim told me that he said i wasn't we

1336
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,359
weren't out there that long we're just

1337
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,960
getting to the woods and moving around

1338
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,119
when we get a call over the radio that

1339
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,760
this other team has found that the crash

1340
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,800
site

1341
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,760
so

1342
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,440
he and a few of these guys they hurried

1343
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,599
over to the area where the thing had

1344
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,200
reportedly fallen these other guys are

1345
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,119
over there and they're standing at a

1346
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,720
little embankment down in the wooded

1347
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,839
ravine

1348
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,880
and

1349
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,800
they're a few feet away from this very

1350
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,960
strange looking object that semi-buried

1351
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,160
in the ground

1352
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,520
and they're going over there expecting

1353
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,000
to see a crashed airplane

1354
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,599
and what they felt was something unlike

1355
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,440
anything he had ever seen before they

1356
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,920
knew right away it was no meteorite they

1357
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,720
knew this thing was constructed and jim

1358
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,319
and the other farmer are kind of looking

1359
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,520
around this thing and walking around

1360
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,720
this thing and looking at the

1361
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,800
hieroglyphics on it they're describing

1362
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,760
it

1363
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,640
when two men like two stern men and

1364
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,800
trench coats with a geiger counter come

1365
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,880
down through the woods they look around

1366
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,480
they look at the object and they yell at

1367
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,480
them say this area is now quarantined

1368
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,559
you got to get out of here right behind

1369
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:40,079
them are soldiers coming down through

1370
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,200
the woods

1371
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,280
and jim told me how the soldiers were so

1372
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,720
close to the firemen that they were

1373
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:46,400
shining their flashlight beat on each

1374
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,200
other

1375
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:49,520
well that's amazing i was just gonna ask

1376
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,119
you about the the the point at which in

1377
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,760
this incident that the government came

1378
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:57,359
in and

1379
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,680
you tell

1380
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,760
what what was their experience with

1381
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,400
these people because at this point the

1382
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,040
government comes in and starts pushing

1383
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,359
everyone back and taking control of the

1384
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,440
crash site correct

1385
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,960
yeah and there's and there's more to

1386
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,880
this than we just talked about there's a

1387
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,440
lot of things happen even before that

1388
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,200
um

1389
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,200
the the military

1390
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,040
began to show up

1391
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,280
during different times during uh the

1392
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,359
evening they apparently were not coming

1393
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,599
from the same location according to many

1394
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,200
people who saw them coming into the area

1395
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,680
that night there are some people however

1396
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,559
who swear they began to see a small

1397
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,720
military presence maybe let's say an

1398
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:42,880
army jeep right around the area maybe

1399
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,200
with an hour after itself and that's

1400
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,960
very possible because they may have

1401
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,880
alerted you know back a lot of people

1402
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,720
remember but this is the early days of

1403
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,520
the space program it's vietnam war and

1404
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,599
there was a lot of military

1405
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,599
installations all over pennsylvania and

1406
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,000
ohio i mean there was armories you know

1407
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,160
the national guard i mean there was all

1408
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,839
kind of equipment installations all over

1409
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,440
the pittsburgh area

1410
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,839
so it may well have been that one of the

1411
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,920
local units may have been advised of the

1412
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,240
incident and a few personnel began to

1413
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,000
move around to see if they can find

1414
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,760
where the thing fell they could not

1415
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,760
possibly have seen it from any of the

1416
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,000
roads again unless some of that somebody

1417
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,760
took them down to the site they could

1418
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,760
not have known where to call

1419
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,200
and

1420
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,359
again there's so many different stories

1421
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,559
about this um like i said after jim and

1422
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,240
the other firemen

1423
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,839
were told to leave the area they found

1424
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,920
their way back to the little village of

1425
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,440
kecksburg and they got back to the truck

1426
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,799
station they said when they got back

1427
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,599
there

1428
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,280
the military and this is confirmed by

1429
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,160
others had taken over the the small

1430
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,319
kecksburg fire truck station as a

1431
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,480
temporary command post they set up

1432
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,400
sentries at the doorwood rifles they had

1433
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,960
a lot of trucks out there they had taken

1434
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:55,119
radio equipment other equipment inside

1435
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,799
for communications

1436
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,200
and that's just one of the many things

1437
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,559
that people report around this little

1438
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:02,640
village the whole point is there was

1439
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,359
activity going on in different areas at

1440
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,599
night and there's a few people say well

1441
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,920
i was around and i saw nothing well if

1442
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,359
you weren't at the right place at the

1443
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:12,880
right time you couldn't have seen what

1444
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:16,000
was going on for example exactly

1445
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,960
um

1446
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,559
on these little farming communities and

1447
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,960
it's dark now okay so this is down in

1448
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:23,040
the village which is way down over the

1449
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,240
hill from up on the big top of the hill

1450
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,480
that that road has now been nicknamed

1451
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,640
media road that the the township called

1452
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,880
and after the event that night and for

1453
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,400
years and years they kept putting these

1454
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,480
streets roadsides up media road and

1455
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,000
people were coming and stealing them for

1456
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,680
souvenirs

1457
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,200
that's interesting

1458
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,280
there were hundreds of people that night

1459
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,599
on the high point that overlooks the

1460
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,680
whole area and up there along that

1461
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,599
narrow farm road is where hundreds of

1462
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,280
people were where

1463
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,760
state troopers and some military and

1464
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,480
hundreds of civilians and reporters

1465
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:58,319
that's where majority of them were that

1466
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:59,119
night

1467
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,839
so

1468
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,680
they're they're looking they're on this

1469
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,599
road which parallels the woods off to

1470
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,760
the right and it's dark and they're

1471
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:07,200
thinking this thing came down pretty

1472
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:08,480
close to where they were down in the

1473
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,359
woods

1474
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,640
but they weren't allowed to get down

1475
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,400
into the woods well what they didn't

1476
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,319
know was that they actually had fallen

1477
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,280
way on the opposite side of the woods

1478
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,960
and it was down on the opposite side

1479
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,880
where there was a farm lane a little

1480
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,720
dirt farm lane

1481
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,400
well that little farmland became

1482
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,880
important because it was closer to the

1483
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,359
impact site and a number of different

1484
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,880
people during the evening found

1485
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,119
themselves on that farm lane and that is

1486
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:35,040
where most of the military activity was

1487
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,240
taking place

1488
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:37,920
where a lot of the equipment where

1489
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,880
military trucks military personnel a lot

1490
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,119
of them were over on that side

1491
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,119
and um

1492
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,799
there are again there's there's so many

1493
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,480
different accounts from so many

1494
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,720
different people of what they saw one

1495
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,640
one of the interesting encounters from

1496
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,960
the late jerry betters jerry betters was

1497
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,040
a well-known jazz musician in the

1498
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,640
pittsburgh during that time he used to

1499
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,160
sing with like ella fitzgerald and

1500
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:01,839
others and

1501
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,799
he was i believe renting a farm

1502
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,680
uh

1503
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,680
at a location between pittsburgh and

1504
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,680
greensboro at that time and like that

1505
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,040
afternoon something that scared the

1506
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,880
horses there was a bright flash or

1507
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,920
something and something scared the

1508
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,559
horses and soon after he heard reports

1509
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:17,760
on the radio

1510
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,640
that something had fallen from the sky

1511
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,720
out near the kecksburg area and that the

1512
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,160
military was

1513
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,760
courting it off to look for this thing

1514
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,920
so he got some of his friends to drive

1515
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,040
them out to the area and they didn't

1516
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,200
know where they were going but the

1517
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,359
descriptions these people all gave and

1518
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,440
certain details all point them to going

1519
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:38,000
to that farm road that old farm lane

1520
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:39,920
and so they go down this little farm

1521
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,559
lane and he sees you know uh fire trucks

1522
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:45,599
he sees military trucks soldiers

1523
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,640
and

1524
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:48,960
off to his left he's looking down

1525
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,680
through the field and way down in and he

1526
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,400
sees an army military flat that tractor

1527
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,559
trailer with a big white star on it he

1528
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,720
got a road to look at it and

1529
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,119
the object is on the back of the trailer

1530
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,119
part and there's a tarp on it but for

1531
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,440
whatever reason the tarp at that point

1532
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,760
was not completely covering the object

1533
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,000
so he was able to see it

1534
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,160
without the tarp on it so it's out of

1535
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,079
the ground at that point and he goes on

1536
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,839
and describes that

1537
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,599
you know he said if i had ever seen a

1538
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,520
ufo i always expect to look like what

1539
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,359
you would think like a flying saucer

1540
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,359
type shape he said this thing wasn't

1541
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,359
like that at all and he goes on and

1542
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,119
describes the old shape more like a big

1543
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,359
acorn with the hieroglyphic markings at

1544
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,119
the bottom

1545
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,119
one of the things i always found

1546
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:36,000
fascinating about this case is this

1547
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:39,119
there were so many people involved and

1548
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,640
yet the government simply said we looked

1549
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,000
nothing fell

1550
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,079
didn't recover anything

1551
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:47,760
i mean how do you think they've been

1552
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:50,559
able to keep what happened secret for so

1553
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,440
long

1554
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,400
or how how did they deny all of this

1555
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,799
well i i don't think they or anybody

1556
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,920
knew

1557
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,799
just how big this was at the time i mean

1558
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,640
you know when the military came in

1559
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,880
there's no doubt the military could took

1560
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,960
control of the operation i mean the

1561
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,119
state police the firemen they were

1562
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,799
closing off road they were helping with

1563
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,720
traffic control they were helping to

1564
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:14,559
stop individuals from going down into

1565
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,280
the woods to see what this thing was

1566
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,359
even though we know and i can tell you

1567
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,200
stories about this and there was armed

1568
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,599
soldiers around the woods and stopping

1569
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,920
people who try to get down and stopping

1570
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,480
them interestingly some of these people

1571
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,319
have gone on public record

1572
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,400
and said that soldiers actually aimed

1573
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,240
their rifles at them

1574
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,400
to stop from going down to the impact

1575
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:38,559
site so where does that where did that

1576
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,280
jurisdiction come from for soldiers to

1577
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,040
come in on other people's private

1578
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,680
property to keep all the civilians out

1579
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,119
what was down there that they didn't

1580
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,119
want anybody to see it had to be

1581
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,760
something incredibly important

1582
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,480
for them to go to that length to to aim

1583
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:57,440
a gun at a u.s citizen

1584
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,799
you know

1585
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,160
yeah and it happened in more than one

1586
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:01,599
situation for what we understand

1587
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,240
including jerry betters when he and his

1588
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,000
friends are on that road and they see

1589
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,400
the flatbed and the flatbed truck is

1590
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,559
apparently trying to climb get out of

1591
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,880
the field climb up the hill it's having

1592
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,119
trouble getting up there at that point

1593
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,200
and at that point an army officer comes

1594
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,720
down the road starts yelling at these

1595
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,799
young soldiers get them out of here get

1596
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,400
them out of here and all these young

1597
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,000
soldiers aimed their rifles at them and

1598
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,400
made them get out of the area so i mean

1599
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:28,079
that was another situation where that

1600
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:29,359
was reported

1601
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,240
and

1602
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,640
i don't think the military at that time

1603
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:35,359
had any idea how many people were

1604
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,400
involved

1605
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,559
i mean there was so they had no idea and

1606
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,559
i didn't know nor anybody else how many

1607
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,960
individuals you know came down that you

1608
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,880
know after it fell i mean we keep

1609
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,559
hearing these stories there was

1610
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,400
apparently quite a lot of people that

1611
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,640
came in as news was breaking getting

1612
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,480
down into the woods trying to get down

1613
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:54,880
but once the military came in

1614
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,799
that ended and they closed off that area

1615
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:01,520
pretty good from all reports and yeah

1616
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:04,799
intimidated people to keep away

1617
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,119
and not only that they set up i believe

1618
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,040
we know for sure one we believe they set

1619
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,359
up two security perimeters around the

1620
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,440
impact site down in the woods

1621
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,680
so we've got that from people there were

1622
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,280
people actually snuck down into the

1623
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,359
woods what we understand and we're

1624
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:21,520
hiding down there watching some of the

1625
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:23,200
recovery operation which the military

1626
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,119
never knew

1627
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,359
well that's very interesting

1628
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:29,359
and

1629
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,240
so

1630
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,440
after

1631
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,319
it's seen on the flatbed covered in a

1632
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:35,280
tarp

1633
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,520
where do you believe it was taken

1634
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:41,680
okay well i know quite i know for sure

1635
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,440
where it was taken um in the summer of

1636
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:47,200
1990 before we did the unsolved mystery

1637
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,400
show

1638
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,640
a man contacted me

1639
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,960
and uh got to know him pretty well was

1640
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,280
able to check his background out in fact

1641
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:57,359
another well-known journalist got

1642
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,880
involved in this and did interviews with

1643
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,359
him checked us all out and you know

1644
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:03,119
actually uh did a big feature story

1645
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:04,559
about it

1646
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,640
this witness does not want to go public

1647
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,559
and one to remain anonymous which he

1648
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,240
still does today

1649
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:11,760
i could check i was able to check his

1650
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,240
background and information out he did

1651
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,400
not know that another individual

1652
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,400
confirmed his story and they didn't know

1653
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:20,160
each other

1654
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,920
he told me that he was a part of the air

1655
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,680
force security police

1656
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,039
that guarded the object from

1657
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,119
pennsylvania

1658
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,520
when after it was recovered and it was

1659
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,440
taken to lockport air force base near

1660
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,119
columbus ohio

1661
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,640
during the early morning hours of

1662
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,559
december the 10th

1663
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,640
now both of these people told me that

1664
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,559
they brought the flatbed with the tarp

1665
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,720
object on it through an entrance at the

1666
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,960
base that they didn't normally use and

1667
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,960
they backed it into a hangar

1668
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,799
and they set up a security perimeter

1669
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,200
around it and the security team was

1670
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,760
given a shoot to kill order to anybody

1671
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:56,000
approach that hangar without the proper

1672
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:57,440
authority

1673
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,400
allowed the proper clearance

1674
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:02,960
again that would indicate this had to be

1675
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:05,680
an object of extreme importance if

1676
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,760
they're willing to shoot to kill

1677
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,200
i mean

1678
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,200
that's that's one of the fascinating

1679
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:13,200
things about this case to me

1680
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,240
how what lanes would they go to to keep

1681
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:17,839
this secret

1682
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,400
yeah and uh now he told me he didn't

1683
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,559
stay on the team much longer but he

1684
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,760
heard that

1685
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,760
the journey continued for the tractor

1686
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:27,119
trailer with the object that it

1687
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,640
continued on the right patterson air

1688
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,720
force base so

1689
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:33,200
after the unsolved mysteries tv show

1690
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,400
aired

1691
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,319
multitudes of new information came in

1692
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,839
from around the country

1693
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,760
and it was fascinating some of the some

1694
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,960
of these were people who lived in the

1695
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,960
kecksbury area at the time and had moved

1696
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,720
over the years but who were involved or

1697
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,640
new people were involved some were

1698
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,520
anonymous tips somewhere from supposed

1699
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:51,440
military sources

1700
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,319
and

1701
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:54,559
others had information of

1702
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,839
importance

1703
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:57,280
and

1704
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:59,039
one other person contacted me his name

1705
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:00,640
was myron

1706
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,720
and myron called me and after he saw the

1707
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,720
tv show and he said i guess i'm allowed

1708
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:06,160
to talk to you about it now since it's

1709
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:07,440
on television i said what are you

1710
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,520
talking about meyer he went on to tell

1711
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,480
me how he worked for a large supply

1712
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,760
house

1713
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,000
in ohio at the time

1714
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,160
and had a navy officer came to the

1715
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,079
supply house

1716
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:22,960
and ordered a very large quantity of a

1717
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,680
special type of glazed engineering brick

1718
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:27,359
to be taken to wright patterson air

1719
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,559
force base

1720
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,240
just probably two or three days after

1721
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,359
the object had fallen to pennsylvania

1722
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:35,440
and um

1723
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,000
anyhow so meyer gave me a very detailed

1724
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:40,640
account there was a second truck driver

1725
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,280
involved he initially was reluctant to

1726
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,119
talk about it but later he did he

1727
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,200
confirmed to myself in the late len

1728
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,599
stringfield a very good researcher who

1729
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:51,520
did a lot of investigation on this with

1730
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:52,880
me as well

1731
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,480
and um so what we learned is that

1732
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:58,400
the the other truck driver was there the

1733
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:01,359
first day he took the first truckload of

1734
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,720
bricks to write patterson he was

1735
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,960
escorted in from the gate with an

1736
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:06,079
officer

1737
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,880
and

1738
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:09,039
over to this warehouse building

1739
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,880
interestingly when he was there the day

1740
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,160
before

1741
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,559
the flatbed trailer with the tarps

1742
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,480
object on it was sitting there outside

1743
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,400
of the trailer

1744
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,640
and he said the way he said the shape

1745
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,480
was somewhat like a big liberty bell was

1746
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,319
only the tarp was over it was

1747
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:25,920
interesting so he unloaded the bricks

1748
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:28,079
and didn't do much anything else but the

1749
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,200
next day

1750
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,440
he and myron both took their truckloads

1751
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,599
of bricks to the base they were escorted

1752
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,440
in by a high-ranking military officer

1753
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,799
and a driver

1754
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:38,799
and paul just do your job don't be

1755
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:41,760
looking around just get your work done

1756
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,799
well

1757
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,799
when they got there the flatbed was

1758
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:46,960
still there but the object was not on it

1759
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,039
just to tarp

1760
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:51,920
so as the day goes on and they're doing

1761
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,799
their work myron's curious because

1762
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,720
here's these guys and white coveralls

1763
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,240
that had some type of he couldn't

1764
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:59,680
remember exactly where it was on it but

1765
01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:01,920
they were some type of navy emblem

1766
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:03,920
and they had sidearms they had rubber

1767
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,760
boots rubber gloves they were

1768
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,119
occasionally changing they're out of

1769
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,880
clothing they're going in and out of

1770
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:10,559
this warehouse building

1771
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,039
and he wanted to know what was in there

1772
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,280
well when he didn't see anybody around

1773
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,960
he made his way into that warehouse

1774
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:19,039
building and he sees up in the

1775
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,960
scaffolding there's ladders going up

1776
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,400
here's this big

1777
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,960
acorn shaped object described like

1778
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,880
others kind of an off gold bronze color

1779
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:29,200
with these hieroglyphic symbols at the

1780
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:30,079
bottom

1781
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,839
and these guys apparently are on the

1782
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,440
ladder work on this and trying to get

1783
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:35,920
inside of this thing and open it up

1784
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,559
and i guess myron at some point begins

1785
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,480
to ask some questions and these guys and

1786
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:42,000
the governments have thought that he

1787
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:44,319
must have clearance if he's here

1788
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,240
yeah that's

1789
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,559
questions and then they soon realized he

1790
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:50,720
didn't have clearance and he was

1791
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,680
threatened and he was told that

1792
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:55,680
you know forget about what you've seen

1793
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,039
we're going to put you in jail throw

1794
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,359
away the keys but in 20 years this will

1795
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,119
all be public knowledge

1796
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,599
well of course that never happened yeah

1797
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:06,240
it's unfortunate so you were able to

1798
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:09,520
trace through eyewitness testimony the

1799
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:12,880
object on the flatbed from kecksburg to

1800
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,000
a military base in ohio and then on to

1801
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,960
wright patterson and for those of my

1802
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:20,960
listeners who don't know wright

1803
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,440
patterson has been the subject of so

1804
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,000
many conspiracy theories it may have

1805
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,400
been involved in the roswell crash it

1806
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:30,559
was like anything secret that the

1807
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,119
government wanted to keep quiet

1808
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,359
went to wright patterson and you were

1809
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:37,520
able to trace this object than to write

1810
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:41,200
patterson correct i know i knew exactly

1811
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,799
what building was taken i mean i could

1812
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,119
get there today if i had access to the

1813
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:46,880
base now whether the object's still

1814
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,359
there today we have no way of knowing um

1815
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,440
wright patterson is historically

1816
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:53,920
important with the ufo subject for a

1817
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:55,599
couple reasons one

1818
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,280
the air force was still officially

1819
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,599
investigating ufo sightings under what

1820
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,520
they called project blue book during the

1821
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,079
kecksburg incident so

1822
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,160
the headquarters from project blue book

1823
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,400
was at wright-patterson air force base

1824
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:10,960
the second thing is it also was the home

1825
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,480
of ftd the foreign technology division

1826
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:17,040
so this would be the the

1827
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:18,719
technical

1828
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,759
uh part of the air force that would deal

1829
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,359
with analysis

1830
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,600
of any type of object that fell from the

1831
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,560
sky

1832
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,719
so for example they were most interested

1833
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:30,719
in any type of soviet space debris that

1834
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,440
came down so it would go to ftd for

1835
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,520
analysis and study because we wanted to

1836
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,480
learn about the soviet technology so if

1837
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,480
whether it was something soviet or

1838
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:42,640
anything unusual thought from the sky

1839
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,239
that would be the logical place for it

1840
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,799
to go so our understanding is that some

1841
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,120
of the roswell debris and possibly

1842
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,679
debris from other other ufo incidents

1843
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,920
that are not very well known

1844
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,759
have also gone to wright patterson over

1845
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,040
the years

1846
01:09:02,870 --> 01:08:59,920
and and so can we get back to what else

1847
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,880
did this witness see inside the hangar

1848
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,640
because that's uh

1849
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:07,199
you know i've heard different parts of

1850
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,480
this story

1851
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:11,279
he saw the the object they were trying

1852
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,319
to get in and what else did he see there

1853
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:16,960
before he was pushed back

1854
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,759
okay well i i think you probably

1855
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,279
talking about

1856
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,600
something he saw lying on a table and

1857
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,040
this is something i've just talked on

1858
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:27,279
more recent years and it's interesting

1859
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:28,719
because you know

1860
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,199
this is not like roswell where they

1861
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,040
claim they saw actual dead

1862
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,080
small alien bodies lying on the ground

1863
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,319
we didn't have that in textbook there

1864
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,960
have been rumors for years and years

1865
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:43,199
that allegedly some bodies were found at

1866
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,679
the site or somehow were associated with

1867
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:48,080
the case but we never were able to find

1868
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:48,960
any

1869
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,359
reports however

1870
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,880
there's some interesting things that

1871
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,640
have surfaced for example

1872
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:58,719
while i was filming my documentary kecks

1873
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,920
per game told story back in 1996 and i

1874
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,800
went to interview myron for the story

1875
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,239
and if you've seen the video you see

1876
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:08,800
that myron who is now deceased was in

1877
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,840
very poor health he was on auction you

1878
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,920
know he wasn't in good health at all and

1879
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,440
when i got there

1880
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,080
he kind of surprised me and he said i

1881
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:19,679
have something else to tell you that i

1882
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:21,280
didn't tell you before

1883
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,719
and he said he had talked to his son

1884
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:24,159
about it the night before and his son

1885
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,840
said why are you gonna even bother and

1886
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,679
tell him and he said because i may not

1887
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:29,120
be here the next day i wanted to know

1888
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,800
the whole story

1889
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,520
so what myron told me was

1890
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,120
when he went to that warehouse building

1891
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,960
on brad patterson

1892
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,199
he saw something else

1893
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,960
and what he saw

1894
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,280
um he said there was as he got as he

1895
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,600
said it wasn't very well lit in there

1896
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,120
but he said he could you know he could

1897
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,280
see pretty well and he said there was a

1898
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,880
workbench in there

1899
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,880
and on that workbench

1900
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,480
there was a body

1901
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,640
but the body was covered over with like

1902
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,199
a white cover white sheet and he said

1903
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,880
the body i believe he feels like four

1904
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,480
and a half possibly four and a half five

1905
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,800
feet tall he estimated probably weighed

1906
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,560
about 80 pounds

1907
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,640
but what he said to me was he said all i

1908
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:09,840
could see

1909
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,560
was a left hand sticking out of the like

1910
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,800
the cover and i said he saw what he said

1911
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,880
with three index fingers

1912
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,880
and it looked like he had lizard-like

1913
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,320
skin

1914
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:21,600
interesting he said that's all i could

1915
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,320
see and i tried many times to get him to

1916
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,719
change the story to exaggerate the story

1917
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:28,719
and he said that's all i could see it

1918
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,040
was a covered body with arm hanging down

1919
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,760
with like three index fingers and he

1920
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,520
kind of said and he was kind of serious

1921
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,960
about he said i couldn't understand how

1922
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,400
they could even unscrew a light bulb

1923
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,400
with three fingers like that

1924
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:42,880
and um so anyhow that was a kind of

1925
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,520
interesting story well

1926
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,600
then something else turned up

1927
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,520
you know back uh

1928
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:52,400
november of 2002 i believe it was that's

1929
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,760
a sci-fi channel announced um that they

1930
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,320
were going to support a very detailed

1931
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:00,640
investigation of the kecksburg case

1932
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,760
uh

1933
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,440
and they were going to support a group

1934
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,880
called the coalition for freedom of

1935
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,080
information

1936
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,800
which was being headed by investigative

1937
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:11,280
journalist leslie kane yes i've seen

1938
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:12,080
that

1939
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,440
okay and uh so i you know we kind of

1940
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,679
worked together to try and uncover

1941
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,440
information on the case they were able

1942
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,679
to get into some areas because of their

1943
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,679
capabilities and i was limited to what i

1944
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,840
could do and they were able to do some

1945
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,760
things that i couldn't so we they was

1946
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,719
really

1947
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:31,280
searching the country for people who

1948
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,719
were involved the people may have

1949
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,640
knowledge for information on the case

1950
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:36,400
and some very interesting things turned

1951
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:37,199
up

1952
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,320
um

1953
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,800
as that began to make a lot of news

1954
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:43,199
around this area and was getting making

1955
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,719
a lot of

1956
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,679
took very positive aspect to it many new

1957
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,560
witnesses began to contact us and saying

1958
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:52,320
well they'd be willing to tell the story

1959
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:53,440
now that

1960
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,199
even a more serious investigation was

1961
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,440
being done on the case so i had a whole

1962
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,440
list of people

1963
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,520
and there was one name in particular

1964
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:03,440
that i sought right away and it just

1965
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,000
really hit me i called the seller joel

1966
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,880
for a better name it's a pseudonym okay

1967
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,040
and joel's name had come up i believe

1968
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:13,520
was like 13 years before

1969
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,239
as a person we had got a tip on

1970
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,560
who reportedly was hiding down in the

1971
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,280
woods when all this was going on

1972
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,080
and uh so we had contacted him at that

1973
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:26,159
time and he didn't deny it

1974
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,440
he just said

1975
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:29,280
he said he was afraid for him and his

1976
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,640
family to get involved because he was

1977
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:32,080
afraid the government might come after

1978
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,760
him and he just didn't they he didn't

1979
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:35,120
want to get involved his family didn't

1980
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,360
want him involved so now here's his name

1981
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,600
again years later

1982
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:42,000
i contacted him right away

1983
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,840
and made plans to come out to interview

1984
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:44,880
him

1985
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,199
and uh so i did do that and when i went

1986
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,040
out to his home

1987
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:51,040
he could tell he's pretty nervous

1988
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,480
and he said look i was just gonna call

1989
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,400
you and cancel it because my wife still

1990
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,000
doesn't want me involved

1991
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:57,840
so i was just gonna tell you not to buzz

1992
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:00,320
and come out it was a very nice fella

1993
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,840
and we sat there for a little bit and i

1994
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:03,440
just gave him some general information

1995
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,719
on the case and we started talking and

1996
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,320
and as we're talking he said well you're

1997
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,120
here about to tell you some of my story

1998
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:12,880
well that led to numerous other

1999
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,239
interviews and anyhow

2000
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:18,000
you know as we're sitting there and he's

2001
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,520
telling me the whole story he's telling

2002
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,560
me

2003
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,080
you know how he and his brother that

2004
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,679
afternoon had seen the object coming

2005
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,679
across the sky in the area how was

2006
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,760
changing

2007
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,719
and

2008
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,640
later on he heard on the radio that the

2009
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,320
thing had reportedly fallen into that

2010
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,480
wooded ravine well he like many others

2011
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,159
knew the area pretty well because he

2012
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,239
hunted down there

2013
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,719
and uh so he and his brother go out to

2014
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,199
the area and there's some other people

2015
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:44,400
starting to gather around there at the

2016
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:45,280
time

2017
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,320
and

2018
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:47,920
he decides he wants to go down in the

2019
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,400
woods to see if he can find this thing

2020
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,400
so his brother wouldn't go and he goes

2021
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,400
down into the woods he told me he had a

2022
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,880
flashlight but he didn't he he knew how

2023
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,480
to get down there he just went along the

2024
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:00,480
border down through the woods and he saw

2025
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,120
this like this arcing down in the woods

2026
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,800
which is how some other witness was

2027
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,560
founded that day like electrical arcing

2028
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:07,520
down there

2029
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:10,000
and just to make the story short he got

2030
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,120
down there

2031
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:13,360
he's he's was not that far from the

2032
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,640
object but be in the trees in the shrubs

2033
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,480
because other people began to come in

2034
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,320
and he was hiding from them he saw

2035
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,880
people's civilian clothes and then later

2036
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,960
he began to see the military coming in

2037
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:26,880
he's an army and air force personnel

2038
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:28,960
down in the woods but he also says

2039
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,159
something to me that was so intriguing

2040
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:33,920
and it was so interesting the way he was

2041
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:36,400
telling me the story and he said i just

2042
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:39,120
don't understand why why there were

2043
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,960
politicians or politicians down in the

2044
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,239
woods i said what do you mean by that

2045
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:44,080
and he said yeah and apparently it was

2046
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,600
more than one of these guys and one guy

2047
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,120
in particular he was talking about quite

2048
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,120
a bit he said yeah he said the guy was

2049
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,600
all dressed up in a suit he had a black

2050
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,440
sun oil with a black tie and a black

2051
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,120
dress hat and he was telling these

2052
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,800
soldiers what to do

2053
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,640
and he was taking all kind of pictures

2054
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,239
he called the object otherwise the

2055
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:02,239
hickey he said he was taking all kind of

2056
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:04,159
pictures of hickey and the top of the

2057
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:05,920
trees that were broken down the broken

2058
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,719
down trees and the ground around it

2059
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,719
and so he went in this really

2060
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,320
fascinating account

2061
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,880
but then as he's going into the story

2062
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,640
and he said i'm still hiding there and i

2063
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,560
had to keep moving back because these

2064
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:20,880
soldiers kept coming in and they began

2065
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,280
to set up a barrier perimeters around

2066
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,719
there and i had to keep moving back so

2067
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,159
they couldn't see me

2068
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,760
and uh

2069
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:29,600
of course it's dark but they had some of

2070
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,600
the area illuminated down there

2071
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:33,120
and he's watching all the stuff that's

2072
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,920
going on and he tells me how he sees us

2073
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,400
this high-ranking army officer jump on

2074
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,560
top of the object

2075
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:42,640
and this army officer had

2076
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,400
he said it looks

2077
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,960
metallic but it was like a long police's

2078
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,719
billy club

2079
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:50,880
and he said this officer

2080
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:52,960
is on top of the object and all of a

2081
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:55,840
sudden he strikes it real hard

2082
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:58,159
and then all of a sudden he started to

2083
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,120
quiver

2084
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:01,199
his you can see the emotions changed in

2085
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,040
them and he says i swear to god sir i

2086
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,640
swear to god sir there was something

2087
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:06,880
inside of that thing

2088
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,360
and he goes on to describe to me he said

2089
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:10,480
when he hit that thing almost

2090
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,640
momentarily after he hit it a hatch

2091
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:14,320
opened in the front of the object from

2092
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,960
right to left and he said this long

2093
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:19,120
elastic arm came up he said i couldn't

2094
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,560
see it well from where i was but it was

2095
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,480
like i want he said it was like silly

2096
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:24,159
putty or some kind of material that his

2097
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:25,360
kids used to play with and they were

2098
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:28,159
little it was very long and elastic and

2099
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,920
it was like stretching and all he could

2100
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,760
see in his position were like two

2101
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,159
fingers over the hatch

2102
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,400
and he said it was like a whirling sound

2103
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:38,480
a light coming out of it as this has a

2104
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,920
hatch open and then moments later

2105
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:44,000
the hatch closed real hard metal on

2106
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,679
metal you can hear it hitting

2107
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,440
and he says there has to be another arm

2108
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:48,640
there but i couldn't see it from my

2109
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:49,600
position

2110
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,960
and then and that officer started

2111
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,640
screaming hurry up hurry up we don't

2112
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:54,719
have much time and he describes how

2113
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,080
these soldiers came over they start

2114
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,239
digging around the object and how they

2115
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:00,239
put this metal strapping on and how they

2116
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,159
winched it over to the truck because you

2117
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,080
couldn't take the flatbed truck down to

2118
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,760
the impact site because all the trees

2119
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:08,239
yeah so that's true over an area where

2120
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:10,159
they could lift it onto the flatbed

2121
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,280
truck

2122
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:14,400
so now that that was really interesting

2123
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,360
because

2124
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,600
apparently he knew nothing about myron's

2125
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,679
testimony or vice versa

2126
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,360
and then

2127
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:23,840
you've got to look at uh

2128
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,239
bill weaver so bill weaver is a very

2129
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:28,080
incredible witness billy was a young

2130
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,199
teenager

2131
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,880
who lived in the area at the time he had

2132
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,880
his dad's nice car with him that evening

2133
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,080
he was riding around listening on the

2134
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:37,120
radio here's a this thing had fallen

2135
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,800
over towards kecksburg and he knew the

2136
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:40,320
area so he hurries over there there's

2137
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,320
other people and he gets on that farm

2138
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:44,239
lane that i told you about and he could

2139
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:46,640
see this bright object down in the woods

2140
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,640
so you get those big bright search light

2141
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,880
outs from shining down on the woods and

2142
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:52,320
other people standing looking at them

2143
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:53,679
trying to get a better idea what this

2144
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,840
thing is and this guy comes up out of

2145
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,280
the woods and yells at him and tells him

2146
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:59,040
to put the spotlight out

2147
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:00,640
and they're they're not there that much

2148
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:02,719
longer when a big white

2149
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:05,840
box truck unmarked box truck pulls up

2150
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,719
and out of that box truck are four men

2151
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:10,239
in what they call moon suits like some

2152
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:11,199
type of

2153
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:12,400
protective

2154
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,239
and out of the truck they took this like

2155
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:20,480
big white box-shaped device by four by

2156
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,920
five square on a stretcher like device

2157
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,920
and the four guys carried it down

2158
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:27,440
through the field down towards the

2159
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:29,840
ravine where the thing had fallen

2160
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,960
so this device this container is too

2161
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,040
small for the object

2162
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,280
so what were they going to put into that

2163
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:39,280
box container and apparently from what

2164
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,719
we understand there probably were two

2165
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:43,440
box containers down there was seen

2166
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,960
these are just some of the little

2167
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:47,280
tidbits that we've learned

2168
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,600
so now when you put these little story

2169
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,360
these stories together

2170
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,920
one begins to wonder you know if these

2171
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,840
people are telling the truth

2172
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:57,600
and i've never signed the indication

2173
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,960
these people are trying to make up the

2174
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,719
story

2175
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,719
then you've got to wonder was there

2176
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,719
something inside of this object

2177
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,040
yeah and i've i've often wondered too

2178
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,520
about deathbed sort of confessions

2179
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,360
because you mentioned the one gentleman

2180
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:13,760
like what what can motivate somebody

2181
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:16,560
just make this up while they're in such

2182
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,080
poor health it seems to me obvious that

2183
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,719
some people in that situation of being

2184
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,960
in such poor health want people know the

2185
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:25,920
truth

2186
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:27,920
while they are still here to give it to

2187
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:30,960
us i don't see people making up

2188
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:33,520
something like that

2189
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,560
no and you know most of the people

2190
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:38,400
don't want any publicity in fact the

2191
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,120
high percentage of witnesses even today

2192
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:42,800
that i've interviewed during the last

2193
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,800
almost 50 years still don't want any

2194
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,800
publicity so you got to remember during

2195
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:48,960
that time period a lot of the witnesses

2196
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:51,040
at night were young children or

2197
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:54,639
teenagers well they grew up to be

2198
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:57,040
professionals you know police officers

2199
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,880
school teachers ceos educators one was a

2200
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:03,120
district attorney you know a lot of

2201
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:06,080
these are really really credible people

2202
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:08,239
who even today really don't want

2203
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:09,760
publicity

2204
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,639
because of uh their their background and

2205
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:14,800
yet what's so interesting is you know

2206
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,840
over the years there were little details

2207
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,760
that i didn't publicize

2208
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:22,000
and so many of these people had no way

2209
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:23,679
of knowing how they were confirming

2210
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,760
other people's stories they couldn't

2211
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,840
have known some of these details unless

2212
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,440
they were at the scene that night and

2213
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,520
saw what they saw

2214
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,440
and and the interesting thing is this a

2215
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,960
lot of people don't realize this you

2216
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,800
hear all kinds of stories on tv shows

2217
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,120
and radio shows that i do on the

2218
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,800
internet and a lot of the details out

2219
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,239
there unfortunately aren't real accurate

2220
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,080
but you know one of the details is that

2221
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:46,159
supposedly only one witness saw the

2222
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:47,920
object on the ground that and that's not

2223
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,239
the case for example when we first met

2224
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,800
jim romanski back in 87 and again he's

2225
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,400
not from kecksburg

2226
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,320
but he said that he would go out to the

2227
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,400
scene with us out in that wooded area to

2228
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,400
try to find the impact site so this was

2229
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,800
interesting okay we told him nothing

2230
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,560
about the pattern of trees that we had

2231
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,159
found told him nothing about where they

2232
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,159
were what we knew

2233
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,280
he remembered from years ago certain

2234
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:12,960
characteristics certain details from

2235
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,120
that night certain landmarks about what

2236
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,120
he saw when he was going through that

2237
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,280
wooded area

2238
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,120
he walked around there for a long time

2239
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:23,199
that day and then finally he said you

2240
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:24,639
know what fellas i think we're right on

2241
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,960
the spot and one of my assistants and i

2242
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,800
remember we looked at each other just

2243
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,120
smiling because it was right in the

2244
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:33,520
immediate area where we felt the object

2245
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:35,600
would have come down from the trajectory

2246
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:36,840
we found

2247
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,280
so it actually appeared to come down

2248
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,199
what they call a dry wash so it's like a

2249
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:44,080
a creek bed but there's no water unless

2250
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,480
it's raining or snowing there's no

2251
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,560
moisture no water coming through it

2252
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:50,239
and at night to these people it looked

2253
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,239
like a trench but it was actually it was

2254
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,480
a dry wash it came down right in that

2255
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:56,880
area so a year after that happens in

2256
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,600
1988 i get a tip that another local man

2257
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,840
had had seen the object kind of gone

2258
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:05,840
down after it moments after it had

2259
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:06,960
fallen

2260
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,199
well that guy never publicly called

2261
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,679
anybody and i we contacted him and it

2262
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,360
was bill bully bush from mammoth right

2263
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,360
over the hill and he didn't deny it he

2264
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,520
just said hey i kept my mouth shut the

2265
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:19,120
government said there was nothing there

2266
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,320
i know what i saw i told my my my wife

2267
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,239
my son when i went home in fact he said

2268
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:26,320
i i later that evening i took my son

2269
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,760
back out to the side i was going to take

2270
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:29,360
him down there was a show to him by the

2271
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:31,120
time we got there there were soldiers

2272
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,719
with rifles posted all along the area

2273
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:34,480
and i couldn't take him down

2274
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:36,800
and uh but anyhow the interesting thing

2275
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:39,040
is the year later

2276
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,639
bill said he would take us down to the

2277
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,199
spot we told him nothing about the other

2278
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,120
witness from the year before

2279
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:47,199
he took us down from the top of media

2280
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,560
road what we now call meteoroid that

2281
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:50,480
high overlap which was completely

2282
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,560
different vantage point from the other

2283
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:54,239
side of the woods where jim took us in

2284
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:55,120
from

2285
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,159
and so we go the whole way down through

2286
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,320
the over the hill through the fields

2287
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,719
through the valleys they're through the

2288
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,639
woods until we get to the other side and

2289
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:06,560
bill takes me over to a particular tree

2290
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:09,280
he said i stood behind this tree and

2291
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:10,960
shined my flashlight over there at the

2292
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,520
object and he points at the exact same

2293
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:15,040
spot that jim took us through the year

2294
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,639
before from a completely different

2295
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:18,080
perspective

2296
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:19,440
and then

2297
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,239
there was a little farmhouse that was

2298
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,480
near that

2299
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:26,880
that farmland i was telling you about it

2300
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,679
was closest to the impact site well this

2301
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,360
family was running that farmhouse and

2302
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,440
apparently some of the military people

2303
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:34,639
came in

2304
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,040
that evening and asked permission to use

2305
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:39,120
it guess was like a meeting place and

2306
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,800
all through the evening

2307
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,880
soldiers and other people and civilian

2308
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,320
clothes were coming into meeting in

2309
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,320
little groups apparently they were using

2310
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:47,920
their telephone or reversing the phone

2311
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,320
calls and these people had a bunch of

2312
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,320
kids this is the hayes family

2313
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:54,320
and young john hayes was among the other

2314
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,360
kids

2315
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,760
he was so excited because he couldn't

2316
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,600
believe the soldiers in his house and

2317
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,280
looking out the windows they see army

2318
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,360
trucks and soldiers out there and they

2319
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,440
see all the cars up on the hill

2320
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,199
and these just fascinated but the

2321
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,040
military asked the parents to send the

2322
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,679
kids to bed well little john kept making

2323
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,520
excuses he had to go to the bathroom so

2324
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,840
he kept running up and down the steps

2325
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:17,679
because he wanted what they were doing

2326
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,480
and at one point he heard a conversation

2327
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,120
that nasa would be arriving soon

2328
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,960
and he said it wasn't long after there

2329
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,560
was a knock on the door

2330
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,719
and several guys in white moon suits and

2331
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,400
maybe the same guy's bill saw up on a

2332
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,440
hill and one had a nasa patch on

2333
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,960
and

2334
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,040
the next morning

2335
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,880
young john and his brother go down to

2336
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,080
the woods because they want to see

2337
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,920
what's going on so you got to remember

2338
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,159
the woods where this thing fell is their

2339
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,480
playground they played down there every

2340
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,639
day they knew every every inch of those

2341
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:50,159
woods they knew when there's anything

2342
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:52,000
different well the first thing they

2343
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:53,280
realized when they get up the next

2344
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:55,360
morning is the military had cut their

2345
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:57,280
fence they had cows out there the

2346
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,719
military had cut the fence against the

2347
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,960
trucks down towards the impact site they

2348
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,639
had to mend the fence

2349
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,159
and they get down through the woods and

2350
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,000
the first thing they say the trees are

2351
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,080
all knocked down and damaged like young

2352
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:10,080
john said to me said that sure wasn't

2353
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:11,440
erosion it wasn't like that the day

2354
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,719
before

2355
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,960
and they're walking around there and he

2356
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,040
found that area and he

2357
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:19,679
also separately without us telling me he

2358
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,560
took me exactly to the exam same spot

2359
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,560
that bill and jim had taken me to

2360
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,920
previously

2361
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:27,840
so there was three people right there

2362
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,159
that all took us to the same location to

2363
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,040
add to that story that afternoon that

2364
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:35,280
later that day he and his brothers are

2365
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,560
walking through the woods they come

2366
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,719
across a fella who has some kind of

2367
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,000
instrument he wasn't sure it was a

2368
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,239
geiger counter or metal detector and the

2369
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:44,400
guy yells at the boys and tells them you

2370
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,679
boys better get out of here because

2371
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,679
there's a chance of radiation

2372
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:49,360
so the boys ran home and asked their

2373
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:50,560
mother what that meant because they know

2374
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,390
well that's and and you know what's uh

2375
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:58,960
interesting to me is that you have all

2376
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:01,520
these separate witnesses taking you to

2377
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:04,800
the same crash location and meanwhile

2378
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:07,760
our government just says nothing crashed

2379
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,800
nothing came down nothing was recovered

2380
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,719
and here you have all these witnesses

2381
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:14,960
taking you without knowing about each

2382
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,639
other to the exact same spot exactly and

2383
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,480
there's so many stories like so we just

2384
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:22,400
began to touch on and i'd like to invite

2385
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,760
all your listeners you know this year

2386
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,000
being the 50th anniversary the expert

2387
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,400
fire department is having her

2388
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:31,040
excuse the annual kecksburg ufo festival

2389
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:34,239
july 24th through the 26th but sunday

2390
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:36,480
the 26th

2391
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:38,719
is the big ufo conference which this

2392
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:41,040
year it'll be a special event which

2393
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:42,639
we're going to have a reunion of many

2394
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,639
textbook witnesses do like a panel a q a

2395
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,159
it's going to be all about the 50th

2396
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:50,159
anniversary of kecksburg it's a great

2397
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:52,159
weekend event it's free to the public

2398
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:54,159
there's kind all kind of stuff for kids

2399
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:55,600
they'll be all kind of paranormal and

2400
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:58,320
ufo bigfoot researchers there i'll be

2401
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:01,040
there all weekend uh doing book signings

2402
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:03,520
and uh it's a great event it's on my

2403
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:06,159
website which is stan gordon dot info

2404
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,600
and they keep checking back there for

2405
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,199
updated information

2406
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,239
yeah i i plan on attending that myself

2407
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,280
uh and and i you know i hope that uh

2408
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,679
you'll be lecturing i want to invite all

2409
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,000
my listeners to check out your website

2410
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,880
because mr gordon does a lot of lectures

2411
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,280
that you can attend if you're interested

2412
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,440
in this subject

2413
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,280
one of the other things i wanted to ask

2414
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:32,400
you about though is the cosmos uh

2415
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:34,880
satellite some people have said that

2416
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:38,000
this was just the cosmos satellite can

2417
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:42,159
you tell me what you know about that

2418
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:44,639
well over the years

2419
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:47,520
numerous people contacted me

2420
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:49,840
saying they knew for certain what the

2421
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:52,159
object was that thought keksburg

2422
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,520
well

2423
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,280
we've heard many stories and it goes

2424
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,679
back to the time it happened

2425
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,520
the first account we heard was an air

2426
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,920
force officer told a a witness that

2427
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,840
hegemony capsule had been expelled in

2428
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:05,760
the area well we know that was not the

2429
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:06,639
case

2430
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:07,600
um

2431
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,320
another person contacted me said he knew

2432
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:13,120
that it was a projectile that was fired

2433
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:15,280
from a giant gun from a railroad car in

2434
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:17,440
canada another person said they were

2435
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,000
certain it was a soviet icbm another

2436
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,320
person thought it was a missile it goes

2437
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,040
on and on and on when you look at all

2438
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:27,679
these different theories it doesn't fit

2439
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,159
with how this thing maneuvered what they

2440
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,639
saw on the ground it just doesn't fit

2441
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:34,400
with a lot of these different

2442
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:38,159
explanations cosmos 96 was one of the

2443
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:39,520
earlier

2444
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,320
possible sources we were looking into

2445
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,320
that might have connection with the case

2446
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:47,440
because cosmos 96 was a soviet venus

2447
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,880
probe

2448
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,679
that

2449
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,440
interestingly we entered the earth's

2450
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,920
atmosphere on the same date as the

2451
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:55,679
kecksburg incident

2452
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:58,480
but as we dug further we found out that

2453
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:00,960
you know cosmos 96 again with the venus

2454
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:03,520
probe that sustained some

2455
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:05,600
technical difficulties and re-enter the

2456
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:08,880
atmosphere over canada about 3 18 a.m in

2457
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,159
the morning

2458
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,639
this event happened about 4 47 in the

2459
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,320
afternoon

2460
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,239
but we always wondered if there was any

2461
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:18,239
connection between the two

2462
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:20,639
i can tell you that as some of the media

2463
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:24,080
was investigating uh this incident um

2464
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,280
going back i'm starting to lose the

2465
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:26,880
length of time now but probably back in

2466
01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:28,480
the 1980s

2467
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:31,120
they talked they checked one reporter

2468
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,040
checked with the soviet embassy and they

2469
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:35,840
said that whatever failed kecksburg

2470
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:37,760
had no direct connection between their

2471
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,600
technology or anything they were

2472
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,360
familiar with that had fallen

2473
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:44,080
later in my investigation i made contact

2474
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:46,480
with the russian space agency and they

2475
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:48,880
also did respond to me and they said

2476
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:50,960
there was no correlation between cosmos

2477
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,840
96 and what fell in kecksburg

2478
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:56,080
um

2479
01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,320
when leslie kane got involved with the

2480
01:31:02,149 --> 01:31:00,320
coalition of freedom information they

2481
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:02,159
were able to make contact with two of

2482
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,679
the world's leading experts on the

2483
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,600
soviet space program

2484
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:07,120
and

2485
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:08,639
they were able to come up with a lot of

2486
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,840
information first of all cosmos 96

2487
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,520
was

2488
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:15,520
a lot smaller physically than this

2489
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:17,920
object it did not have any maneuverable

2490
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,360
capabilities like this thing was

2491
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,120
reported to have you know this is the

2492
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,120
early days of the space program this is

2493
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:25,199
1965.

2494
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,719
if you recall

2495
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:28,560
almost everything that we were landing

2496
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:30,080
in that time was coming down the ocean

2497
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:31,440
of parachutes

2498
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,199
and nobody by the way catch would ever

2499
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:34,880
put a single parachute

2500
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:37,120
and um so there was a lot of unanswered

2501
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,040
questions but just to make the story

2502
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:41,199
short in more recent years especially

2503
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:43,120
since the coalition of freedom

2504
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:45,920
information got involved uh that a lot

2505
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:48,239
of new data came out which pretty much

2506
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:51,840
eliminated cosmos 96 as being the uh

2507
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:54,239
source of the kecksburg ufo that that

2508
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,960
had

2509
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:57,120
one other question then

2510
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:01,040
you know i've seen a report i have one

2511
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:04,000
that crash landed in canada

2512
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:04,880
but

2513
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:08,480
was debris recovered was it returned to

2514
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,960
the soviet union because

2515
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:12,480
you know i've also read there was a

2516
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,159
treaty signed

2517
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:17,280
that we were supposed to return any

2518
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:19,760
crashed space debris to the country of

2519
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:22,719
origin so if it really crash landed in

2520
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:26,080
canada was there debris recovered

2521
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:28,719
because for me that would confirm it

2522
01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:31,280
couldn't have been the cosmos

2523
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,480
uh as far as i understand it just burned

2524
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:36,639
up in the atmosphere over canada i've

2525
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:38,960
never seen any and we look we've never

2526
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:41,040
found any indication of any recovery of

2527
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:44,719
any material the cosmos 96

2528
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:46,800
we got records from

2529
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:49,120
u.s space command

2530
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,480
and uh

2531
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:52,560
from the the navy

2532
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:55,120
one of the navy facilities also you know

2533
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:58,000
confirming that uh re-entry at the time

2534
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,719
but

2535
01:33:01,750 --> 01:33:00,239
we've never found first of all we've

2536
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:01,760
never found a paper trail for example

2537
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:03,280
from the soviets

2538
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:05,120
requesting

2539
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:07,360
the return of something that fell in

2540
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:09,760
pennsylvania and yes you know i don't

2541
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:11,040
believe the treaty was then at that

2542
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:12,719
point it was a u.n resolution at that

2543
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,440
time later became a treaty but yeah

2544
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:17,199
was that

2545
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:18,719
if they had launched something in a

2546
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:21,360
foreign u.s territory the agreement was

2547
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:22,800
we would recover and give it back to

2548
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:25,600
them and vice versa see that

2549
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:28,080
that agreement has always been

2550
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,480
interesting to me because i've talked to

2551
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:32,880
people in the government you know who

2552
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:35,280
said that could be what happened that

2553
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:37,520
this russian satellite came down and

2554
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:41,040
because the u.n you know agreement

2555
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:42,320
our government

2556
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,560
uh wanted to keep it secret because we

2557
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:46,480
wanted to keep the thing and rip it

2558
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:48,560
apart and see what we could learn from

2559
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:52,400
it but i've uh seen these trajectory

2560
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,719
reports and other things that led me to

2561
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:56,639
believe that no it couldn't have been

2562
01:33:58,950 --> 01:33:58,320
the cosmos

2563
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:58,960
and

2564
01:34:01,910 --> 01:34:00,560
you know it's just another layer of the

2565
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,920
story

2566
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,840
right and it's interesting like i said

2567
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:05,840
it's there's too much to get into right

2568
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,760
now there's a very good report out there

2569
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:09,440
that leslie kane posted i believe

2570
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:11,120
there's still a link on it active on my

2571
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:13,040
website which is a conclusion of the

2572
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:14,719
nasa lawsuit

2573
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,679
and also she wrote a very very good very

2574
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:19,199
detailed account of this talking about

2575
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:20,719
all these areas

2576
01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:22,320
um

2577
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,239
in one of the publications i believe was

2578
01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:26,639
a uar publication

2579
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:28,400
for the center for ufo research several

2580
01:34:32,950 --> 01:34:29,840
years ago which you can still find

2581
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:32,960
online very detailed but

2582
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:34,480
what they found out more recent years

2583
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:35,600
they were able to get some of the

2584
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:39,040
orbital uh debris data and other data

2585
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,360
concerning cosmos 96 and it's pretty

2586
01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:43,280
much been ruled out that that's what was

2587
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:45,360
seen and fallen in pennsylvania that

2588
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:46,400
afternoon

2589
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:48,239
and

2590
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:49,840
you know again

2591
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:52,400
what eyewitnesses saw

2592
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,159
did not fit with

2593
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,560
what cosmos 96 would have looked like

2594
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:58,080
size

2595
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,400
some of the details of it if you look at

2596
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:02,400
all the soviet stuff it's four rivets

2597
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:04,719
and seams this thing wasn't that's

2598
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,600
that's a point that uh also made me

2599
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:09,840
disbelieve it could have been cosmos all

2600
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,880
the all the eyewitnesses said there's no

2601
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:14,400
rivets there's no

2602
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:17,600
you know uh seams on the thing

2603
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,159
and uh you know

2604
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:22,480
i i don't know i always

2605
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,119
think the simplest explanation must be

2606
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:27,520
the answer so for a long time i thought

2607
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:30,159
it was the cosmos but lately i've been

2608
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,360
moving more towards the alien hypothesis

2609
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,000
and so with that i want to ask you

2610
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:38,719
because i've seen you talk about this on

2611
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:41,119
so many different shows

2612
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:42,400
you know and i don't want to put you on

2613
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,119
the spot but what do you think the

2614
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:47,360
object was

2615
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:49,280
well i've answered this many times on

2616
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:51,600
many different radio shows and i think

2617
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,600
my opinion is that you know we've

2618
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:55,520
eliminated a lot of possibilities

2619
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:57,440
there's not a lot of things left because

2620
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,440
there was a lot of things being launched

2621
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:00,880
back in the early days of the space

2622
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:03,040
program so we're either dealing with

2623
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:06,320
something that was highly sophisticated

2624
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:07,840
man-made

2625
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,400
very very secretive that was

2626
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:12,080
very very advanced for back in those

2627
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,119
days

2628
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:15,119
and whatever it was we it was a very

2629
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:18,000
secretive program which we still have

2630
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:19,920
never come to light which would be very

2631
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:22,560
unusual because so many of the things so

2632
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,320
many of the secret testing done by the

2633
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:26,080
soviet the u.s since then has been

2634
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:29,600
declassified it's become known

2635
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:31,119
that's a possibility that there's

2636
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:32,560
something very very secretive about that

2637
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:33,840
we just don't know about or it's

2638
01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:35,360
extraterrestrial there's just not too

2639
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:37,119
many things left

2640
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:39,119
yeah that's that's what i keep coming

2641
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:40,880
back to i mean

2642
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:42,000
if it was

2643
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:43,840
the other thing that i've always thought

2644
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,480
is if this was a top secret exotic

2645
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,400
propulsion craft

2646
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,040
uh that did belong to the united states

2647
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,520
or even a foreign government we would

2648
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:55,760
have heard about it by now it would have

2649
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:58,320
been declassified there'd be no reason

2650
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:00,719
for continued secrecy i mean we're

2651
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:03,440
talking 50 years of the government

2652
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:07,040
saying nothing happened and it just

2653
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:09,600
doesn't seem plausible to me that a top

2654
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:10,639
secret

2655
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:12,880
exotic propulsion craft would be test

2656
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,400
flown over a farm town in pennsylvania

2657
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:18,639
there's better places to do that don't

2658
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:21,040
you think yeah well again you gotta

2659
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,040
remember now it was seen over a very

2660
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:25,280
widespread area from canada and over

2661
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:26,719
several states

2662
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:28,320
and uh

2663
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:30,000
and of course officially it was not

2664
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:32,639
being tracked but other sources over the

2665
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:34,400
years suggested to me people who

2666
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,760
reportedly were in the right position to

2667
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,320
know it had been tracked for a very very

2668
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,719
long distance by radar and that's why

2669
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,560
the military units

2670
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,320
uh were activated and got there so

2671
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,000
quickly

2672
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:48,639
that's amazing and stan i want to thank

2673
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:50,719
you for being our guest it's been an

2674
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,040
honor and a privilege to speak to you

2675
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:55,360
because i've been so interested in this

2676
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,239
case

2677
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,480
mostly because of its proximity to my

2678
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,080
hometown and

2679
01:38:05,270 --> 01:38:02,719
you have done such incredible work that

2680
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:05,280
you should be commended because

2681
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:07,760
all this information that you dug out

2682
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,920
over the years would just be lost to

2683
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,360
history

2684
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,600
and then that leads me to another

2685
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,679
question do you ever think that the

2686
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,000
government is going to come clean about

2687
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:20,639
what they did that day where they took

2688
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:23,199
that object what it was do you think

2689
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,080
we'll ever know the truth

2690
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,159
i'm hopeful but very doubtful and

2691
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,560
probably not my lifetime um unless

2692
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:32,639
something happens or somebody out there

2693
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,199
has some really good

2694
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:37,520
information some physical evidence and i

2695
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:39,040
really believe

2696
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:40,719
from the information i've had over the

2697
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,960
years even in recent years that somebody

2698
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,719
out there has black and white

2699
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:46,400
photographs the object down in the woods

2700
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,080
that was taken at that time i've talked

2701
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:49,920
to several people who have seen them

2702
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:52,320
i've heard rumors of people who

2703
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:54,159
you know may have had them or knew

2704
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,480
people would have had them but we've

2705
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,080
never been able to find them but i

2706
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:59,920
believe somebody out there probably has

2707
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,679
some really good physical evidence but

2708
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:03,119
you know people still won't believe

2709
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,400
pictures and you know if this was a u.s

2710
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,800
a secret project or even with soviet

2711
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:10,719
after 50 years now

2712
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:13,119
is the technology has changed so much

2713
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:15,280
why not just bring it out and show the

2714
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,360
public what the government recovered and

2715
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,440
just let the files and this case be

2716
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:21,280
closed forever

2717
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:23,760
it's interesting interesting to me that

2718
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:27,440
you've never found or have you any

2719
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:30,719
government sources or leaks because you

2720
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:34,639
know from other uh incidents we get

2721
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,440
somebody that was involved directly from

2722
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:39,360
the army maybe

2723
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:40,560
you know

2724
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:43,840
40 years later they tell their story are

2725
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:45,679
you still hopeful that you'll find

2726
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,320
somebody with more direct knowledge from

2727
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:50,880
the government as a source

2728
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:54,159
well you know apparently at that time

2729
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,639
there must have been a lot of power

2730
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,880
because a lot of people have kept their

2731
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,040
mouth shut for many many years yes i

2732
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,520
have talked to military sources who have

2733
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:05,280
who were involved in different aspects

2734
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:06,639
of the event

2735
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:09,920
but i've i did not talk to any let's say

2736
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,480
any of the ground soldiers at the scene

2737
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:14,080
over the years i've i've talked to

2738
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:15,679
relatives of people who claim they had

2739
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,000
relatives involved but most of people

2740
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:20,239
are long deceased and they wouldn't talk

2741
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,320
uh but yes i've gotten some interesting

2742
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,719
information from other military sources

2743
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:26,159
and uh

2744
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,920
you know i've had anonymous tips i've

2745
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:29,119
interviewed different people who are

2746
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:31,360
involved in different aspects of it but

2747
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:32,400
um

2748
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:34,480
there's no doubt a lot of people who may

2749
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:36,239
have known about this or involved

2750
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,440
directly

2751
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,639
we'll probably never hear from because a

2752
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,040
lot of those people are long gone

2753
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,440
yeah that's that's the unfortunate part

2754
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,440
and the time window

2755
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:47,679
kind of like what happened with roswell

2756
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:50,320
you know there's there's a time window

2757
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:53,600
here so i would encourage anybody that

2758
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:56,400
is hearing this that has any information

2759
01:41:03,350 --> 01:40:59,199
you can contact stan at his website it's

2760
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:03,360
stan gordon dot info and and he really

2761
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,400
is this the the person that has the most

2762
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:08,800
information on this so if you have any

2763
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:11,360
direct knowledge of this incident and

2764
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:13,360
you want to help find the truth because

2765
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,440
that's what would we really you know i'd

2766
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:17,440
like to get to i've been following this

2767
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:18,719
story for

2768
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,239
my whole life

2769
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:22,719
so if you have any information

2770
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,600
come forward you know now is the time

2771
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,239
before it's lost to history i think the

2772
01:41:32,669 --> 01:41:30,320
american public deserve to know

2773
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,679
especially if it's an

2774
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:34,320
extraterrestrial

2775
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:36,960
origin i mean we have the right to know

2776
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:39,360
that we're not alone that's why this

2777
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,480
case so fascinates me like i want to

2778
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:45,360
know if that really happened i want to

2779
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,679
know and i don't think our government or

2780
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,679
anyone has the right to keep that from

2781
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,000
us so if you have any direct knowledge

2782
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:54,320
or even an indirect knowledge something

2783
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:57,199
you think can help please contact stan

2784
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:01,040
gordon at stan gordon dot info and if

2785
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:03,600
you're interested

2786
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:07,920
just by the way is email is p-a-u-f-o

2787
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:11,520
at comcast.net that's the easiest email

2788
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,639
to reach me

2789
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,480
and um you know they can go to my

2790
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:16,639
website get additional information also

2791
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,600
you know

2792
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:19,199
besides kecksburg i've worked on

2793
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:22,000
thousands and thousands of ufo bigfoot

2794
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:23,119
and strange creature case in

2795
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:24,480
pennsylvania i've been out in the field

2796
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:27,760
since 1965 still very actively getting

2797
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,920
current reports over pennsylvania

2798
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:31,840
reports come in all year round every

2799
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,719
year

2800
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:34,719
and you may be aware i've written two

2801
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,679
books

2802
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,320
uh one is really mysterious pennsylvania

2803
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,639
the other one is silent invasion the

2804
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:43,040
pennsylvania ufo bigfoot casebook which

2805
01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:46,159
has some amazing very bizarre stories

2806
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:48,159
and incidents of pennsylvania and it

2807
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,719
gets into some very odd aspects of

2808
01:42:53,709 --> 01:42:52,239
bigfoot why there's no bodies of

2809
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:53,719
creatures they're available on

2810
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:56,800
amazon.com as well as my website

2811
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:57,600
yeah

2812
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:01,280
i would encourage everyone uh also

2813
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:05,040
stan has what is perhaps the best known

2814
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:08,000
and best produced documentary on the

2815
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:10,880
kecksburg in incident and it's available

2816
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,840
on his website i highly recommend that

2817
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:15,440
if you're interested in this case

2818
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,360
there's more information in that

2819
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:19,679
documentary and it'll just blow your

2820
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:22,639
mind to see all the information that mr

2821
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:25,600
gordon has been able to dig through and

2822
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:28,800
dig out and get to the public

2823
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,000
so please visit his website and and

2824
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,400
support him because you know our

2825
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,080
government's not going to tell you the

2826
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:38,719
truth we need people like mr gordon

2827
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:41,920
who's an award-winning ufo researcher to

2828
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,920
bring us this information because we

2829
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:45,840
have the right to know

2830
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,239
and with that mr gordon i want to thank

2831
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:50,800
you and i hope that you will return as a

2832
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,199
guest and maybe we could do a show on

2833
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:55,119
pennsylvania bigfoot sightings which

2834
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,679
i've been following recently

2835
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,440
that's fine steve i'm glad to do that

2836
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:01,600
yeah there's a lot of history of bigfoot

2837
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:03,119
sightings and

2838
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:05,199
some of the evidence we found

2839
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,119
is very very strange with bigfoot and

2840
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:09,360
that's a whole different program yeah

2841
01:44:12,990 --> 01:44:10,719
absolutely

2842
01:44:23,710 --> 01:44:13,000
well thank you mr gordon

2843
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:30,709
[Music]

2844
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:36,020
one

2845
01:45:24,229 --> 01:44:48,690
[Music]

2846
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:27,189
like any great mystery the kecksburg ufo

2847
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:30,880
crash of december 9th 1965

2848
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:35,119
has certainly survived the test of time

2849
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:38,080
for almost 50 years now this incredible

2850
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:39,199
mystery

2851
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:41,440
has endured

2852
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:44,639
my recent reinvestigation into this case

2853
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,239
quite honestly

2854
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:48,800
has left me with many more questions

2855
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:51,360
than answers

2856
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:54,159
there's so many aspects to this case

2857
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:57,760
that it's difficult if not impossible

2858
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:04,149
ah yes the truth

2859
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:05,280
the truth

2860
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,520
is often a very elusive thing

2861
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,440
i've done my best to try to get to the

2862
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,800
truth

2863
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:14,880
but quite honestly

2864
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:17,119
i don't feel that i do know the truth at

2865
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:18,800
least not the whole truth

2866
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:20,719
about what happened

2867
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:22,719
on that fateful night

2868
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:25,520
in a small town

2869
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:28,000
of kecksburg pennsylvania

2870
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:30,639
[Music]

2871
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:32,960
while i don't know the whole truth

2872
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:36,400
i do know one overwhelming truth

2873
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:39,440
the truth that i've come back to again

2874
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:41,760
and again and again

2875
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,719
after everything that i've read

2876
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,719
investigated

2877
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:48,239
after all the people i've talked to

2878
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:50,480
about this case

2879
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,719
i've come back to one thing again and

2880
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,800
again and again

2881
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:57,040
and that is this

2882
01:47:02,550 --> 01:46:59,520
i may never find the truth

2883
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:02,560
but one thing i know with a hundred

2884
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:10,310
the truth well the truth is something

2885
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:17,590
as we've heard earlier

2886
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,080
the government first said

2887
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:22,880
it was just a meteor

2888
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:25,520
just a meteor we sent some people

2889
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,440
to try to recover you know any debris

2890
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,280
it burned up in the atmosphere we didn't

2891
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:33,360
find anything

2892
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,840
and that my friends is the truth that

2893
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:38,239
the government tried to give us

2894
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:40,560
and for many years the government

2895
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:42,960
claimed that was the truth

2896
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,719
but then strangely in 2005

2897
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:48,800
the government changed their version of

2898
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,880
the truth and said

2899
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:52,800
based on some

2900
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:56,639
metal samples that we've analyzed

2901
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:59,119
what happened was

2902
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,040
the crash of a russian satellite the

2903
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:02,960
cosmos 96

2904
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:05,840
and we have some metal debris

2905
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:09,119
some small samples that were recovered

2906
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:12,000
and that's what happened

2907
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,480
but you see

2908
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,280
based on my observation of this

2909
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:19,119
being a magician

2910
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:20,639
what i found

2911
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:23,119
to be the truth or one truth that i

2912
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:25,920
found about this case is this

2913
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,159
our government a government which is

2914
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:30,880
supposed to be of the people

2915
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:33,679
by the people and for the people

2916
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:35,760
lied to everyone

2917
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:38,719
but not only did they did they lie

2918
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:40,639
they used

2919
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:42,719
one of the most classic techniques of

2920
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,360
magicians

2921
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:47,520
and this my friends is called

2922
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,920
misdirection

2923
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,679
it's a simple technique that all

2924
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:54,000
magicians use

2925
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,760
when they want to distract attention

2926
01:48:58,830 --> 01:48:57,119
away from

2927
01:49:01,830 --> 01:48:58,840
the

2928
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:01,840
truth i've used it myself as a performer

2929
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,600
many many times

2930
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:05,600
and the technique works very simply like

2931
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,119
this

2932
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,320
if there is something i do not want

2933
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:12,639
my audience to see

2934
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:15,520
i give them something to see

2935
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:17,440
something to distract them

2936
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:19,040
while

2937
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:21,840
something else is going on that i do not

2938
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,800
want them to know about

2939
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:25,920
and this

2940
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:28,320
my friends is exactly what happened in

2941
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,760
this case

2942
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,360
because you see

2943
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:33,840
while our government was engaging the

2944
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,320
media and telling the public that this

2945
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:38,880
was simply a meteor and we sent some

2946
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:41,199
people to recover it and gee we're

2947
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:44,960
really sorry we didn't find anything

2948
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:45,920
others

2949
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:48,080
were hard at work

2950
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:49,520
because you see

2951
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:52,000
while some government public information

2952
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,360
officers

2953
01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:55,280
were telling the media

2954
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,560
that this was simply a meteor

2955
01:50:01,510 --> 01:50:00,159
other agents

2956
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:01,520
of the government

2957
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:04,480
were hard at work

2958
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,800
hard at work

2959
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:08,239
cordoning off

2960
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:09,679
the area

2961
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:11,199
hard at work

2962
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:12,960
pushing

2963
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:15,040
any witnesses back

2964
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:21,990
and while some government agents were

2965
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,320
busy telling the media and the public

2966
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:26,320
this was nothing important

2967
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:27,760
nothing of note

2968
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:34,470
others were hard at work

2969
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,560
with armed guards

2970
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:38,639
pointing rifles

2971
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:41,520
right at the united states citizens that

2972
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,400
were witnessing this event

2973
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:46,639
i've come back to that point again and

2974
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,080
again

2975
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:51,199
because what could be so important

2976
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:52,880
that our government the government

2977
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:54,800
that's supposed to be of the people by

2978
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,599
the people and for the people

2979
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:59,920
would send armed guards

2980
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:01,920
with rifles

2981
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:07,669
to point those rifles at united states

2982
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:10,480
citizens and intimidate them into

2983
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:12,639
leaving the area

2984
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:15,599
what could be so important

2985
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,560
that later when the object was moved

2986
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:22,800
soldiers were given the order that if

2987
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:25,760
anyone tried to enter the area of that

2988
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,880
object

2989
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:29,360
that they had the authorization to shoot

2990
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:35,750
now you see

2991
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:36,960
as i said

2992
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,800
the truth is a very elusive thing

2993
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:40,320
sometimes

2994
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:42,080
and i don't feel

2995
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:44,400
that after everything that i've read and

2996
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:46,560
seen and all the people that i've talked

2997
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,400
to about this case

2998
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,639
i still don't feel that i have gotten to

2999
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:52,480
the truth

3000
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:55,280
but i have gotten to one truth

3001
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,480
and that truth is that our government

3002
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:00,800
gave us no truth

3003
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,480
absolutely no truth about this incident

3004
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:07,119
because you see

3005
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:10,320
after initially saying in 1965 that this

3006
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:13,679
was simply a meteor crash in 2005 the

3007
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:15,920
government changed their story and nasa

3008
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:17,840
released a report stating that the

3009
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:21,119
kecksburg ufo crash or incident was

3010
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:22,800
caused by

3011
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:26,320
the crash of a russian satellite

3012
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:29,360
why would they contradict themselves

3013
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:35,589
why would a new report state it wasn't a

3014
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:37,520
meteor it was

3015
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:39,119
a crashing

3016
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,790
makes no sense

3017
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:47,119
especially considering that many many

3018
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:48,639
reports

3019
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:50,239
trajectory

3020
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:55,589
orbital path

3021
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:56,880
information

3022
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:00,960
that nasa

3023
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,719
uh presented as truth

3024
01:53:08,629 --> 01:53:06,400
because you see

3025
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:08,639
in my search for the truth

3026
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:11,599
i found that there has been a lot of

3027
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:14,719
different truths about this specific

3028
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:19,910
you see you have the government's truth

3029
01:53:22,870 --> 01:53:21,119
which

3030
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,880
quite honestly

3031
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:24,480
is

3032
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:27,440
no truth i mean nothing that they have

3033
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,119
said

3034
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:31,040
nothing that they have presented in

3035
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,199
reports or

3036
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:34,960
uh

3037
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,880
just nothing that the government has

3038
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,320
said

3039
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,199
has rang true about the case

3040
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:42,960
and then

3041
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:45,440
there is a separate truth

3042
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:49,760
the truth given by eyewitnesses

3043
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:51,840
the truth of people

3044
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,320
who saw the object

3045
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:56,560
in the sky

3046
01:54:02,470 --> 01:53:59,280
apparently under intelligent control

3047
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,480
turning and very slowly

3048
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:04,800
coming to the ground

3049
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,360
the truth of eyewitnesses who went down

3050
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,520
into the wooded area

3051
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:11,599
and saw the object

3052
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:14,719
after it had crash-landed up close

3053
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:17,199
on the ground

3054
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:21,040
and the truth of a dying man

3055
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:22,560
who said

3056
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,360
he saw the object in the hangar that it

3057
01:54:30,390 --> 01:54:27,840
ended up in after it was

3058
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:30,400
transported off by flatbed truck to a

3059
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:33,360
nearby military base

3060
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:34,840
the

3061
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:38,560
truth of a dying man

3062
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:41,520
sort of a deathbed confession of a man

3063
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:43,599
who wanted to set the record straight

3064
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:45,679
about what he had seen

3065
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:47,599
and the truth

3066
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:49,360
as he gave it

3067
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:53,119
was that he saw that craft

3068
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,599
and he saw

3069
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,679
an extraterrestrial body

3070
01:55:03,990 --> 01:54:59,280
in the hangar

3071
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:05,990
i'm a person who

3072
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:08,400
desperately wants to believe

3073
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:09,360
that we

3074
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:16,550
and because of that

3075
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:19,990
i want to know the truth

3076
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:23,030
are we alone in the universe

3077
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:27,040
or did some extraterrestrial crash land

3078
01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:35,669
in 1965

3079
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:38,000
and has our government kept that truth

3080
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:39,199
from us

3081
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:44,870
again

3082
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:47,599
i don't feel that i know the whole truth

3083
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:50,639
but the truth that i know is this

3084
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:54,400
our government still after almost 50

3085
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:58,400
years has never told us the truth

3086
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,320
i don't believe that all of these

3087
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:02,480
eyewitnesses

3088
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:05,360
who gave testimony are simply

3089
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:06,960
delusional

3090
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,719
mentally ill

3091
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:10,000
or

3092
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:11,520
you know

3093
01:56:16,070 --> 01:56:14,000
living in some fantasy world where they

3094
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:16,080
put themselves central to some

3095
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:18,400
incredible conspiracy

3096
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,599
involving an extraterrestrial craft

3097
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:24,000
crash landing in their town

3098
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:25,440
too many people

3099
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,360
were involved in this incident

3100
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:29,520
for the government to effectively cover

3101
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:31,119
it all up

3102
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:32,800
to his credit

3103
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:35,440
stan gordon has done more

3104
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:37,679
to bring the truth of this subject to

3105
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:39,760
light than anyone

3106
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:42,480
and i in my recent investigation

3107
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:43,679
really

3108
01:56:49,109 --> 01:56:45,920
can't dig any deeper than

3109
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:49,119
stan gordon already has

3110
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:50,480
to his credit

3111
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:52,080
he has interviewed

3112
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:54,560
so many witnesses and brought so much of

3113
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:56,960
this information to the public that

3114
01:57:01,430 --> 01:56:59,440
again i would say i really believe that

3115
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:01,440
he should be commended because he more

3116
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:04,560
than anyone has done all he could

3117
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:07,840
for years and years and years

3118
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:11,440
almost 50 years since the very beginning

3119
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:16,470
as for me

3120
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:18,320
i just again

3121
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:20,239
sort of resparked my interest in this

3122
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:22,239
case and have tried to get to the truth

3123
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:25,199
but i don't feel that i have

3124
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:27,040
i do know

3125
01:57:31,030 --> 01:57:29,119
with some degree of certainty that this

3126
01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:31,040
was not

3127
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:32,320
a meteor

3128
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:34,239
it simply could not have been

3129
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:36,080
a meteor

3130
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,320
this was not a nazi bell

3131
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:42,239
that theory never

3132
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:45,199
really uh had any sort of proof or

3133
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:47,440
direct evidence that would support that

3134
01:57:52,149 --> 01:57:48,960
claim

3135
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:52,159
which really only leaves two things just

3136
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:54,800
and i agree exactly with

3137
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:57,119
what stan gordon has stated

3138
01:58:02,550 --> 01:57:59,520
it either had to have been

3139
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,560
some sort of exotic propulsion craft a

3140
01:58:07,229 --> 01:58:04,800
top secret craft that was

3141
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:07,239
you know worlds ahead of its time in

3142
01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:09,040
1965

3143
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:10,480
or

3144
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:12,159
it had to have been

3145
01:58:17,109 --> 01:58:14,719
an extraterrestrial craft

3146
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:17,119
as far as it being some experimental top

3147
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:19,679
secret craft

3148
01:58:25,589 --> 01:58:24,320
i just believe that cannot be the case

3149
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:25,599
and this

3150
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:29,440
my friends leaves me with the uneasy

3151
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:31,599
final answer

3152
01:58:35,109 --> 01:58:33,760
from all the eyewitness testimony

3153
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:35,119
especially

3154
01:58:40,390 --> 01:58:38,320
the the eyewitness testimony concerning

3155
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:40,400
what was seen in the hangar with this

3156
01:58:44,790 --> 01:58:42,960
object where it eventually ended up

3157
01:58:46,830 --> 01:58:44,800
we are left with

3158
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:46,840
the only

3159
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:49,440
answer which could explain everything

3160
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:50,719
that happened

3161
01:58:53,189 --> 01:58:51,520
and

3162
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:53,199
which could fit with all of the

3163
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:55,760
eyewitness testimony

3164
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:57,679
and that is

3165
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:00,400
an inconvenient truth at least for the

3166
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:03,360
government who does not want to admit

3167
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:06,480
the existence of extraterrestrials

3168
01:59:12,470 --> 01:59:10,560
especially extraterrestrials visiting us

3169
01:59:15,589 --> 01:59:12,480
and what we are left with

3170
01:59:18,550 --> 01:59:15,599
after almost 50 years of trying to get

3171
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:18,560
to the real truth in this case

3172
01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:24,709
the uneasy realization

3173
01:59:28,709 --> 01:59:27,199
that we are all

3174
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:28,719
victims

3175
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:30,880
of a conspiracy

3176
01:59:34,870 --> 01:59:32,560
and a cover-up

3177
01:59:38,070 --> 01:59:34,880
by the united states government

3178
01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:38,080
who will apparently stop at nothing

3179
01:59:40,870 --> 01:59:39,520
to prevent

3180
01:59:42,629 --> 01:59:40,880
all of us

3181
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:42,639
from knowing

3182
01:59:55,030 --> 01:59:53,430
i hope you will be joining us next time

3183
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:55,040
i will be bringing you a new

3184
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:56,560
investigation

3185
02:00:02,870 --> 01:59:59,840
into another of the greatest mysteries

3186
02:00:07,109 --> 02:00:05,189
until we meet again i'm stephen cambion

3187
02:00:09,910 --> 02:00:07,119
also known as the mystery man

3188
02:00:10,830 --> 02:00:09,920
reminding you to keep your eyes open